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06-17-2017 , 04:30 AM
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5 handed 6/12 game, I imagine no one is an expert, but no particular reads other than there hasn't been much reraising on first round.

UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, folds to me in the BB with
Tc9d8s6d4h.

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06-17-2017 , 04:47 AM
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This is a garbage hand. I'd fold.
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06-17-2017 , 07:09 AM
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This should be folded against the single raise let along a 3b. Your hand barely qualifies as a "weak pat hand both ways" in badeucey, let alone badacey. Ten-Ten is an emergency hand that we often pat on the final draw with, not one that we are trying to power through a whole hand vs two players.
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06-17-2017 , 07:26 AM
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I did fold but I haven't played this game, or even A-5 triple draw very much. Of course then they both drew 2 on the first draw, and 1 and 2 on the second draw, and then the re-raiser folded, so I started to question my fold.

Does anyone think it would not be a fold in Badeucey?
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06-17-2017 , 07:36 AM
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Badacey easy fold. I am pretty curious about the optimal way to play this badeucy. Cap draw 1 / call draw 1 / and raise pat all seem reasonable.
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06-17-2017 , 10:14 AM
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I think it's either a 4-bet or fold.
The good thing about 4 betting in your position is you are first to draw.
Standing pat after 4 betting might get the original raiser to get off of a better 10.. or the 3-bettor to get off of a 9 badugi or something like that.
just flat calling a 3 bet then drawing 0 lets them know you are super weak both ways.
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06-17-2017 , 04:53 PM
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Badacey easy fold. I am pretty curious about the optimal way to play this badeucy. Cap draw 1 / call draw 1 / and raise pat all seem reasonable.
This is a fold in badeucey, too. A button open hand or SB 3b vs button or sometihng like that.
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06-18-2017 , 09:07 PM
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This is a fold in badeucey, too. A button open hand or SB 3b vs button or sometihng like that.
agreed with this, though i would be calling and drawing 2 if it was only a single raise to us.
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06-18-2017 , 11:36 PM
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agreed with this, though i would be calling and drawing 2 if it was only a single raise to us.
Very reasonable.
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06-19-2017 , 12:38 AM
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I did fold but I haven't played this game, or even A-5 triple draw very much. Of course then they both drew 2 on the first draw, and 1 and 2 on the second draw, and then the re-raiser folded, so I started to question my fold.

Does anyone think it would not be a fold in Badeucey?
no, its not close. MW 3 bet pre (in a tight lineup) + game that almost always goes to showdown and not much FE ever + card removal (smallest factor but means something) = not close imo. Based on position, action, and drawing, both your opponents almost certainly had something like 2s3d5cxx or 2s3c7dxx.
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06-19-2017 , 05:24 AM
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breaking a 9 badugi to draw at a 3 card 864 is a bad idea
My badugi was Ten, which is why I thought this was a pat or fold hand.

Glad to see I made the right decision to fold it. Still would like to see more hands from these games posted though; maybe I will next time I play, but I have a tough time remembering the details.
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06-20-2017 , 12:30 PM
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I'd love to read more hands from these games so I hope you do post some more. Suggestion: write down interesting hands on your phone right after they happen so you don't forget. Use a shorthand notation that you can do quickly.
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06-26-2017 , 01:32 AM
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Yeah I'm definitely folding a rough ten + T864 facing this action.
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06-28-2017 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RiverMeGently
I think it's either a 4-bet or fold.
The good thing about 4 betting in your position is you are first to draw.
Standing pat after 4 betting might get the original raiser to get off of a better 10.. or the 3-bettor to get off of a 9 badugi or something like that.
just flat calling a 3 bet then drawing 0 lets them know you are super weak both ways.


This is perfect badeucey analysis.


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06-28-2017 , 11:09 AM
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And it's an easy badacey fold, as others have stated.

One of the best ways to lose money playing mix is to fail to make the necessary adjustments from badeucey to badacey and vice versa. They play very differently in the key spots.
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