Also, I'm pretty sure his post is backwards. You'd never play for plo as hands run close together (even in 5 card plo). You play based on having a 5 card and hope to get there in plo.

I disagree. Think about it this way, if it was straight PL 5CD you would get destroyed playing 100% VPIP. So if you're playing that way against a TAG player who is folding a lot, he's going to have you demolished on the 5CD side when he's in, and basically freerolling you in PLO, where the edges are pretty small in general anyway. Say for example you play QJ972. You flop a HUGE draw on a 8TK board. Tight player has KK44X. This is a fine spot to be in with regular PLO, but you are finished if this happens to you in this game.

As far as throwing your hand away and getting 5 new cards...you're really hoping to get a strong pat hand in 5CD AND smash the flop in PLO? GL with that.

Exactly. Playing for PLO hands seems like the same as playing for high in 7CS hi/lo no qualifier. Just an invitation to get freerolled.

Spot on.

And we have learned in our game, or rather, I have learned, that the freeroll happens a lot and often gets there in very big pots! Two pair in the hand and a set is absolutely crushing any straight or flush for PLO on the flop!

One thing I learned to do is to not overplay nuts for PLO due to this reason. I saw one of the guys get it in on the flop with KT on KTT. Other guy had KT. 'Cept he had a pair! THREE QUARTERS!!! So I would play current nuts slow (not to trap, but to be prudent) or even just check fold it.

It's like having A2 in PLO8. You don't call big bets chasing just low. In Svitten, you don't call big bets with PLO nuts drawing to blanks!

This might be my new favorite game.

i always choose it when it's my button.

Do any of you still play this? We play it regularly in our home game here in Malta. We have also recently convinced one of the local casinos to run an occasional cash game and it seems to be a potential success. As someone on this thread said, it is a very popular game with everyone who has tried it - even the ones who have lost loads of buy-ins!

We have also recently started adding some variants of sviten special - sviten with 2 boards (pot split 3 ways - PLO hand assumes greater importance), 6 card sviten with one card exposed (best 5 cards for the draw, best 2 for the PLO). The other day I won a 1500 BB pot when I was dealt quad Jacks, pre flop aggression making the only guy with an Ace fold and when the board came AA3/blank/blank I scooped against a pat full house and a pat flush.

Strategy wise, I go along with the school of thought that locking up the draw hand is the key to long term winning in this game - that is, when only playing one board.

I'd never heard of this game until today, and I'm a mix player who loves action and has some circumstantial degen tendencies.

This game is kinda sick, y'all--I gotta say!

We used to play a game called murder ball which was a hybrid of stud 8 and draw hi, and we played that as a limit game. After a while, the fish started getting crushed to the point where they stopped producing, so we shrewdly removed it from the mix.

This game strikes me as having potential consequences similar to murder ball...

These posts are all from about 5 years ago. I'm curious whether y'all are still playing this game regularly/whether or not it's sustainable? (I lol'd re the post about the one operator who said the game was banned from the mix in his joint. That seems like +EV for anyone running a game.)

I'm a mixed game (re: Dealer's Choice) player with the capacity for degeneracy myself.
I had never played this game either until about 6 months ago when someone introduced it into our $10 max dealers choice game.

I then introduced it into out weekly PLO game, and we played it when we got 5 handed or less for a few months.

Here's a recap of how the hands go: Nitty, Nitty, Nitty, Nitty, Cooler. Nitty Nitty Nitty Nitty Nitty Nitty, Cooler.

There's a major flaw in this game. After playing it for a while and getting your bell rung in the 5-card hand with 2 pairs and small trips, people start to tighten up, even the fish.

So then it just comes down to who gets fortunate enough to draw a full house in their hand vs. someones drawn flush or boat or something like that... Even a solid player is going to have a tough time folding a flush or small boat in a 1-draw game... So then you're just at the mercy of hoping you can make something on the board that beats their hand.

The only saving grace for this game is playing against degens that cant get away from sets or flush draws for the omaha portion.. Where you have a 5-card hand and are just completely freerolling them on the omaha.

Long story short, this game lasted about 2 or 3 months in our rotation then it was sworn off.

(Side note: We played it a couple times where if you draw one card, you can get it face up, and if you do not want it you can get dealt a different card.. has anyone else ever played this version?)

We have always played the version where if you take one card you have the option to take it face up, and reject if you don't like it.

Our game has been running since September last year, we play twice a week most weeks, and there is no sign of the game being dropped. It is still very popular.

We have however introduced some variants of the game: the most popular being six card sviten with two boards, and one of each player's cards being dealt open. The pot is split into three: one is a five card draw hand (best of the six cards being held) and there are two omaha boards, one for each of the other 2/3 of the pot. The deck is almost always used up and the muck re-shuffled. 800BB+ pots are very common in this variant

Edit: I just looked back at my other post and realised I already described this variant. Duh!

Thanks for this. Seems spot on to me!

Game sounds like it COULD be fun to play for a while, but your post also seems to confirm my doubt that it would be good for the health of any of the mixed games I play in--especially the games that play for mid-to-higher stakes. It's the "don't skin the proverbial sheep" principle. It's no good when a fish who is a regular producer gets totally wiped out and has to quit the game for good, ya know?


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I've only ever played this game HU and pot limit. Personally I did not enjoy it because I'm not sure we had a single hand in 100+ hands played in which someone folded to a bet after the flop. Sure chalk this up to fishy play, but it seems like if you have a hand good enough to call a bet on the flop, then it's good enough to take to showdown (the 5 card draw hand, not the Omaha hand, since of course that can change). It's clear you need to focus on making a good 5 card draw hand and worry about the Omaha later since the Omaha isn't determined until the river whereas the 5 card draw is known on the flop.

I think maybe it would be a better game multiway where winning a split pot is meaningful. It certainly is a great gambling game. The player in my home game who loves to gamble is the one who is always begging for Svitten. I wouldn't mind playing a few hands in a mix or maybe even fixed limit.

This game is amazing and all u want to do is play when u learn.

where can find more strat?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pot-Limit-S...3202803&sr=8-1