Fair enough.

We play all sorts of variations of 5CD split pot games in my game, it's good stuff.

Nice, Svitten was originally a 5cd/O8 split game, but it's too hard to convince newer players to play with 3 pots. Not to mention how much it slows down the game when dealing with amateur (or drunk) dealers.

I'm a fan of playing Svitten as a 2-7/PLO split as well. Again, this only really works for old hands.

Really, any game with action, skill, and not hold'em is a winner.

Since this thread we have played the game every single time, and more recently it has become a Super Stud (High Only) / Svitten mix.

Super stud is 7CS and pot limit, get dealt 5, discard 2 and choose your own upcard. 3rd street is positional with blinds, the rest, high hand first to speak.

Anyway to prove my point about trying to have the best 5CD hand, I was involved in a hand last week where I had Aces and Threes after the flop in my 5CD hand. We were four handed and I had started with Aces ITH and raised preflop pot to 35 and hit the pair of Threes after drawing three cards. The flop was TT9 no flush draw.

We play it so that there is preflop betting, burn card, deal flop, then immediately burn and ask FTA "How many?" Then betting, then rest of hand is 5 card PLO.

Anyway we get it all in on the turn for 300 big blinds each, my friend and I, and he has Sevens full of Tens on the PLO side and Jacks and Sevens on the 5CD side. I know that I have the best hand for the 5CD, which is why all the money goes in.

At this point I am totally freerolling. I need an Ace or a Ten and I knew I was freerolling to at least the Ace.

The Ace on the river comes and I immediately flip and announce my hand. He is very upset but he knows it was a freeroll!

And that's why you play for the 5CD hand. Once you have the best hand after the draw you freeroll everyone else and can also see turn and river with impunity regardless of bet size faced if you're not betting already.

Sure, people can draw 5 cards, but just like in normal draw games, with the best hand going in you take your chances, it's unlikely you'll get beat.

What about for the tri-split game? I think that would be a blast headsup.

If youre referring to PLO/PLO8/5CD, It probably would be AAAA2 suited.

Yup, that was the game. I kind of wonder if you need that strong a draw hand. AAA23 double suited is quite a bit stronger in the other two games and I mean trip aces still wins the vast majority of 5 card draw high pots. I think maybe even AA233 or something might have better equity than AAAA2. Know it's hard to simulate draw hands/behavior but it'd be neat to see. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think there are quite a few hands that fair better against a random hand than AAAA2 ss.

I think AAAAK is wrong, a straight flush is a far better Svitten hand because AAAAK is just AA with possible flush draw for the PLO side, but straight flush can make straight on the board/fulls/quads and flushes. I have had huge wins with straights dealt to me or drawn. These are the most profitable hands, especially with two flush draws.

Tri split IMO is too complicated, and also removes a significant portion of the freeroll element of the game. If I only have the 5CD hand locked up, now I have to worry about losing 2/3rds if I have nothing else, and it's probably really hard to scoop or get 2/3rds. Also people get sixthed a lot. That sucks.

This is actually one of the key differences between O8 and this game. O8 is a game with a qualifier while svitten is not. In O8 you can scoop with high only hands if there is no qualifying low but you can not scoop in svitten if you don't have anything going for 5CD half (unless you promote your PLO hand and make everyone fold). Seems like playing too loose predraw/flop is a HUGE mistake.

I'm pretty sure it is too. Also think it might be farther down than just behind straight flushes. I think I'd even rather have a hand like Aces full of Kings double suited.

Also, I'm pretty sure his post is backwards. You'd never play for plo as hands run close together (even in 5 card plo). You play based on having a 5 card and hope to get there in plo.

I disagree. Think about it this way, if it was straight PL 5CD you would get destroyed playing 100% VPIP. So if you're playing that way against a TAG player who is folding a lot, he's going to have you demolished on the 5CD side when he's in, and basically freerolling you in PLO, where the edges are pretty small in general anyway. Say for example you play QJ972. You flop a HUGE draw on a 8TK board. Tight player has KK44X. This is a fine spot to be in with regular PLO, but you are finished if this happens to you in this game.

As far as throwing your hand away and getting 5 new cards...you're really hoping to get a strong pat hand in 5CD AND smash the flop in PLO? GL with that.

Exactly. Playing for PLO hands seems like the same as playing for high in 7CS hi/lo no qualifier. Just an invitation to get freerolled.

Spot on.

And we have learned in our game, or rather, I have learned, that the freeroll happens a lot and often gets there in very big pots! Two pair in the hand and a set is absolutely crushing any straight or flush for PLO on the flop!

One thing I learned to do is to not overplay nuts for PLO due to this reason. I saw one of the guys get it in on the flop with KT on KTT. Other guy had KT. 'Cept he had a pair! THREE QUARTERS!!! So I would play current nuts slow (not to trap, but to be prudent) or even just check fold it.

It's like having A2 in PLO8. You don't call big bets chasing just low. In Svitten, you don't call big bets with PLO nuts drawing to blanks!

This might be my new favorite game.