Did villain get tilted?

That looks like a good way to tilt someone-I have the "don't show winning hand" box checked- maybe I should un-check it.

Ctrl-M works well in-game

was aiming for the old stand-pat-bluff, but this worked out better


Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players
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Pre Draw: (1.333 SB) Hero is SB with A K Q J 6
UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB folds

Ive done the same several times post draw. Cant recall doing it predraw though. Patbluffing in a limit game should only be done once IMO. If you do it to the right type of person you are going to get called down literally for life.

The HH seems to **** up, villain had Qhigh flush.
How bad does he play ?
I feel he plays all streets bad

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit 5 Card Draw - 3 players
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BTN: $25.81
SB: $25.70
Hero (BB): $25.35

Pre Draw: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A A 6 5 5
BTN calls $0.25, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $2.50

First Draw: ($7.25) (2 players)
SB stands pat, Hero draws 1
Hand: A A 8 5 5
SB checks, Hero checks

I don't feel like making a new thread for this so here it goes

Full Tilt Poker $1/$2 No Limit 5 Card Draw - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $211.50
BB: $105.10

Pre Draw: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with K J 8 Q T
Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $14

Villain has been playing pretty loose/passive; he has flatted and checked to me postdraw hands as strong as 8866x, even tho I'm minraising and cbetting like 80% of my hands (not minraising total crap for balance, and not cbetting hands that have dec SD value but don't get called by many worse hands, like JJxyz). Thus I'm putting him on trips or better and some % of high two pairs (like KKxxy+ or QQxxy+). Can we call here or do we face too much reverse IO. What's the worst draw we can call with here?

I think we can call here.
We have position, we get to see how many cards villain draws + there are much money left after the draw

Just throw it away, the draw isn't as good as a flush draw and to top it off the draw might not even be live if he advances with 2 pair or trips. You're more than a 4:1 dog to hit that draw.

By my estimation, he must bet/call with his entire range post draw and have enough two pairs in his range for you to continue here.

I Had a 5 card draw LIMIT question, and I didn't want to make a new thread, so I revived this one! Epic thread btw!

This is a situation you will be in a lot, and any answers would help in all similar situations. Well:

We have the button on a 6max table and UTG openraises, we KNOW utg's opening range for that position is EXACTLY AAxyz and better, and there are no draws in his range. The table is a total average bunch of players. Noone does anything especially stupid, especially smart, or especially out of line. We dont think we have a postdraw edge on the opener (only simply the edge that position gives us). What kind of ranges do we play here?

The median hand in UTGs opening range is TT99, do we ever want to get involved with a hand weaker than this?

What is our default line with:

a) AA-small-small-small

b) AAKQJ

c) 3322-TT88

d) Two pair stronger than TT99, but only marginally, say JJ22 or QQ44

At which point in our range do we start raising?

Is flatting ever an option? If we do begin to flat, how do we balance our range, so that villain can't pinpoint our flatrange?

Does anyone have any numbers on how much equity we need against a given range to justify a raise?

Hope this is something that can be answered, it really would help my game because these situations come up so frequently, and I don't know if Im playing them +ev or if I'm spewing/loosing value!

Thanks

Although the median hand the UTG opener has will be TT99, depending on how he/the blinds play, it should be okay to play any hand that is approximately TT66+ as long as your kicker isn't precisely an ace at $2-4 since the BTN will be putting in $4 in a pot that will have $11 before the blinds act, so having about 4/11 pot equity on average should suffice. If you have an ace kicker, it looks like you should be mucking a hand as good as JJTTA ( but I'd probably still play that hand in practice ); so, it seems that TT66K is okay to play but JJTTA should be very slightly -EV. At the lower limits, the rake is a factor so that you'd likely have to fold anything less than TT99.

a) looks like an easy fold; what can you beat? Not to mention that there is a tiny chance one of the blinds wake up with a hand.

b) similar to a), but if the UTG is somewhat exploitable, you may be able to "bluff" in case the UTG has a weak to medium two pair, but I still think folding is best

c) I can't see playing anything less than tens-up here, but it's possible that a hand like 9988K is close to neutral EV; normally play TT66-TT88 especially with a "good kicker" ( = paint ) unless the rake is a factor.

d) Normally call with jacks-up; with queens up, I'd think you'd want to 3-bet. With specifically JJ22-JJTT and an ace kicker, folding seems best.

Clearly 3-bet with approximately queens up or better, but you could also 3-bet with JJ22-JJTT if the kicker is "good". I think it's important to 3-bet just in case the BB ( or SB ) has a high pair ( QQ-AA ), because the BB would be taking some equity out of the pot with these hands if you were to simply smooth call ( not to mention that the BB could simply have a flush draw; I don't think an openended straight draw in the BB is playable in this spot - or at best about neutral EV to call with if you decided to call ).

If you flat call with hands such as tens-up and jacks-up, you'll probably want to flat call with hands like quads and AAAxy ( where x,y don't include a K or Q so as to give the BB/SB an opportunity to play hands like QQ or KK ); you may want to give up cold calling with hands like TT66 or TT77 and play some of the better jacks-up hands faster by reraising. Other hands to consider smooth calling with are KKKAx and something like AAKK although to be honest, I don't like the last one. If you think flatting with such a "narrow" range is too easy for an opponent to read, you may simply decide to use a reraise/fold approach and simply fold almost all hands that are in the jacks-up or worse range.

I don't know that there are many players at the lower limits that open that tightly from UTG ( but I'd guess there are! ), but if so, one key idea is to simply not give these players action except when you are about even money against their range from the button. Even in the BB vs a "very tight" UTG, you simply fold a hand such as 5522A when they open for a raise.

Even if I know that UTG has that range I will not fold any of the hands you list here. Mostly because of post draw potential. In practice I never fold AA or better for 1 big bet.

Its been a couple years since I played higher stakes fixed limit 5CD but I would routinely 3-bet almost my entire 1-card draw range here. Of course, that is to say that I never put UTG on the specific range you set here.

Against that type of UTG I would still 3-bet Ts up(even though I agree with the GT that bigpooch replys). In practice I dont take much notice about the kicker when it comes to the decision pre draw but I always remember it as to make a potential read post draw.

im in

started playing limit 5CD a couple weeks ago. started out with .5/1 and 1/2 and only played every once in a while.
yesterday i planned to take a "shot" (not really a shot br wise, way overrolled, but skillwise) at 2/4. i ended up playing up to 10/20 and dont feel that theres much of a difference in skill. i guess im running pretty good atm but since the variance is supposed to be so small in L5CD i feel confident.

i get berated left and right and am sure that my game still has tons of leaks, but some of the regs are just so hillariously bad its fun.

evGalois you asked me wether i was "that same idiot from 2p2". i indeed am.

who else is a regular in midstakes L5CD? what are your screennames?

what regs do you think are truly good?
What about MTails, Bessenok, rubannnn, Goauriku? TabberNackle is good i suppose. Not sure about the other ones.
While i have to admit that im not really confident in what i feel is a correct approach to playing the game, the majority of regs seem pretty bad.
It kinda feels like NLH 4 years ago. lots of people making money while not really knowing what they were doing.

Howdy Exameter, I was one of the regs you were playing against the other night. I remember you were running pretty well against me particularly; I seem to recall ragequitting the table for an hour or so after awhile. That said, obviously the games can vary quite a bit, but a lot of the same players will show up from 2-4 to 5-10. And a lot of them are break-even at best. These games are definitely still quite beatable.

Some of the regs you mentioned are pretty good; TabberNackle is obv still the final boss of limit 5cd, although he's been playing mostly triple draw/live poker as of late. I don't know enough about DeuceBuster to comment on him, though from what I can tell his results seem solid. fun2draw1 is always entertaining to play against, especially if he gets sucked out on once or twice. As I said above, though, a lot of the regs are really break-even players, and some, according to my databases, are pretty significant losers. The random fish are definitely still the lifeblood of the games, though, as they are in any game.

Fr1endlyF1re ( "FF" ) and DeuceBuster are the players to play; Cal42688 recently did well ( ~ 25 bets ) in HU$300-600 against FF, so it's likely there will be much more high limit HU action on Full Tilt.