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11-13-2010 , 12:50 PM
Searched my Stars SN and found this thread again. Also in that search popped up a video I made about Draw on PokerTube.

You can view it here.

http://www.pokertube.com/my-pokerface?movie=14995

Maybe we can keep this thread going strong. I have read it again and it's a great discussion we've got going on,
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11-21-2010 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
Searched my Stars SN and found this thread again. Also in that search popped up a video I made about Draw on PokerTube.

You can view it here.

http://www.pokertube.com/my-pokerface?movie=14995

Maybe we can keep this thread going strong. I have read it again and it's a great discussion we've got going on,
Great video m8
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11-21-2010 , 01:46 PM
Something i've been woundering about. Let's say we get a small two pair on BTN, Cu raises, We 3bet. He draws 1 . Almost always we are going to lose if we draw 1 and dont improve. So what about standing pat, and betting after the draw ?
It will be pretty hard for him to call us down then.
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11-21-2010 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Travbana
Something i've been woundering about. Let's say we get a small two pair on BTN, Cu raises, We 3bet. He draws 1 . Almost always we are going to lose if we draw 1 and dont improve. So what about standing pat, and betting after the draw ?
It will be pretty hard for him to call us down then.
No, you'd be surprised what the cutoff has even at low limits; awhile ago, at some limit ( can't remember what, but lower than $3-6 ), cutoff open raised, I 3-bet with an AKQ-high flush draw and so it was HU; CO draws one and I pair on queens so check-check and MHIG. Some players have a wide range of semibluffing hands in the cutoff.
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11-21-2010 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Travbana
Something i've been woundering about. Let's say we get a small two pair on BTN, Cu raises, We 3bet. He draws 1 . Almost always we are going to lose if we draw 1 and dont improve. So what about standing pat, and betting after the draw ?
It will be pretty hard for him to call us down then.
All depends on reads. If you think there is no way he doesnt have you beat then sure, this is a good play. Just dont overdo it. I usually just draw 1 and then decide if I need to bet to bluff or check to showdown a likely loser.
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11-22-2010 , 01:27 AM
Bjourn, what would you say is a good roll for 5/10? We still going 100 big bets?
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11-22-2010 , 10:27 AM
If you think you can easily beat the game then 100 big bets is fine. I think no one can say they beat the 5-10 game easily so 200 is where I would go. A more concervative line would be 300 big bets and some would say 500 big bets. 5CD is less varianceinfested then most games so 500 seems waay too much though.

Myself, I play 100 big bets.
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11-22-2010 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bjornar
If you think you can easily beat the game then 100 big bets is fine. I think no one can say they beat the 5-10 game easily so 200 is where I would go. A more concervative line would be 300 big bets and some would say 500 big bets. 5CD is less varianceinfested then most games so 500 seems waay too much though.

Myself, I play 100 big bets.
was thinking of adding a 6max table. What do you think, what kind of ptbb/100 can I expect if I think I have a relatively decent grasp of the game tho I don't expect to pwn souls right from the beginning
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11-22-2010 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JSpazz
was thinking of adding a 6max table. What do you think, what kind of ptbb/100 can I expect if I think I have a relatively decent grasp of the game tho I don't expect to pwn souls right from the beginning
I dont know what ptbb/100 is and I dont track anything so those kind of numbers you probably are looking for I would not know anything about them.
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11-22-2010 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bjornar
I dont know what ptbb/100 is and I dont track anything so those kind of numbers you probably are looking for I would not know anything about them.
big bets per 100 hands. Take the amount of $ won at any given level, divide by the big bet, multiply by 100 and divide by number of hands played. E.g. if you won $10k at $5/$10 over 50k hands, your winrate is $10k/$10*100/50k=2ptbb/100
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11-22-2010 , 05:49 PM
Why haven't we used this thread as an opportunity to talk **** about all the 5CD regs on Stars?
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11-22-2010 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BenLZ
Why haven't we used this thread as an opportunity to talk **** about all the 5CD regs on Stars?
Everybody is waiting in line to play HU with Fr1endly F1re.
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11-22-2010 , 09:03 PM
How much has that guy dropped? I'll check in on his sessions every once in a while. I remember I saw like 5 minutes with you and him and I don't think I've ever really seen him winning. I don't play HU 5CD, I think the game would be incredibly tilt inducing and ridiculous variance.
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11-22-2010 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BenLZ
How much has that guy dropped? I'll check in on his sessions every once in a while. I remember I saw like 5 minutes with you and him and I don't think I've ever really seen him winning. I don't play HU 5CD, I think the game would be incredibly tilt inducing and ridiculous variance.
The funny thing is that he is up overall according to my records. Now that NoMeNot is no longer "MIA", we should see more HU action.
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11-22-2010 , 11:16 PM
hope y'all like my pokertube vids.

TY travbana
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11-23-2010 , 10:14 PM
alright, question for y'all

say we have queens up pre. QQ552. discard 1 after opening. got flatted by BTN or BB.

if you assume that they have KK or AA is the correct play to check?

i was thinking that i keep not getting paid when i bet but when i do get called they seem to make bigger 2 pair or trips. but at the same time a part of me says i should bet because i would do that with draws and i also want to have an aggressive image.

also you know there are many people out there who just call because they are curious or think you might be bluffing.
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11-23-2010 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LUCIUS VARENUS
alright, question for y'all

say we have queens up pre. QQ552. discard 1 after opening. got flatted by BTN or BB.

if you assume that they have KK or AA is the correct play to check?

i was thinking that i keep not getting paid when i bet but when i do get called they seem to make bigger 2 pair or trips. but at the same time a part of me says i should bet because i would do that with draws and i also want to have an aggressive image.

also you know there are many people out there who just call because they are curious or think you might be bluffing.
If villains obviously dont pay attention or are just too nitty to call, then check would be best. Usually someone is hoping you have a draw and call. That said, some call with less then QQ in the blinds for instance and if you cant bet this then you dont play enough draws IMO
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11-24-2010 , 11:52 AM
Are there any programs for 5card draw like Holdem Manager ?
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11-24-2010 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Travbana
Are there any programs for 5card draw like Holdem Manager ?
i use PokerHands
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11-24-2010 , 01:06 PM
This must be the best way to tilt someone

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Limit 5 Card Draw - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with A K 7 7 2
BTN folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

First Draw: (8 SB) (2 players)
Hero stands pat, BB draws 1
Hand: A K 7 7 2
Hero bets, BB folds

Final Pot: 4 BB
Hero shows A K 7 7 2 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero wins 3.875 BB
(Rake: $0.50)
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11-24-2010 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Travbana
This must be the best way to tilt someone

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 Limit 5 Card Draw - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is SB with A K 7 7 2
BTN folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB calls

First Draw: (8 SB) (2 players)
Hero stands pat, BB draws 1
Hand: A K 7 7 2
Hero bets, BB folds

Final Pot: 4 BB
Hero shows A K 7 7 2 (a pair of Sevens)
Hero wins 3.875 BB
(Rake: $0.50)
Did villain get tilted?

That looks like a good way to tilt someone-I have the "don't show winning hand" box checked- maybe I should un-check it.
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11-24-2010 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Wee
Did villain get tilted?

That looks like a good way to tilt someone-I have the "don't show winning hand" box checked- maybe I should un-check it.
Ctrl-M works well in-game
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11-26-2010 , 09:34 AM
was aiming for the old stand-pat-bluff, but this worked out better


Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Draw: (1.333 SB) Hero is SB with A K Q J 6
UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB folds
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11-26-2010 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Travbana
was aiming for the old stand-pat-bluff, but this worked out better


Poker Stars $3/$6 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Pre Draw: (1.333 SB) Hero is SB with A K Q J 6
UTG folds, CO folds, BTN folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps!, BB folds
Ive done the same several times post draw. Cant recall doing it predraw though. Patbluffing in a limit game should only be done once IMO. If you do it to the right type of person you are going to get called down literally for life.
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11-28-2010 , 07:08 AM
The HH seems to **** up, villain had Qhigh flush.
How bad does he play ?
I feel he plays all streets bad

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit 5 Card Draw - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: $25.81
SB: $25.70
Hero (BB): $25.35

Pre Draw: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A A 6 5 5
BTN calls $0.25, SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $2.50

First Draw: ($7.25) (2 players)
SB stands pat, Hero draws 1
Hand: A A 8 5 5
SB checks, Hero checks
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