Sigh...I miss 5 Card Draw :O(

Wow, I saw the nick and thought: Wow, do you still play? And then I remembered US and ****. Stars is pretty sad without the US market anyway IMO.

Not just bumping for great justice, legit Q

Free play in the big blind, dealt A234J or similar (kicker is below Q).

What do you keep?

There's the straight draw (draw 1), or the ace high (draw 4), or A+kicker (draw 3). Mostly I draw 4 here and like it. But curious what best play is, per equities?

Obviously it may differ if the SB has limped, but most spots you are OOP vs a (recreational) limper or two. If it's AQ/AK I take 3. I feel more chance of hitting not going for the gutshot, plus hitting the straight can sometimes lead to dusting off a couple bets I needn't vs a limping draw 1 man.

If AJ/AT is suited I draw to that. If not, I draw 4.

Getting killed with low two pair, it seems I lose more than win with that hand. It's meant to be the best hand on average at the table but apparently that's not the entire puzzle... when I get a caller, or someone raises in front, they have me beat. 3-betting is not going well, but I never call pre. 3 ball or fold.

Now when someone draws 1 after I 3 bet them I tend to just fold. If I get 3 bet, I just fold with what is often between 0 & 4 outs and obviously never the right price.

Against some guys I am sigh calling their 3 bet with low trips...

PokerStars Hand #87760767864: 5 Card Draw Limit ($0.10/$0.20 USD) - 2012/10/16 20:26:32 WET [2012/10/16 15:26:32 ET]
Table 'Tabora VIII' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ME ($5.06 in chips)
Seat 2: ($0.48 in chips)
Seat 3: ($2.14 in chips)
Seat 4: ($4.70 in chips)
Seat 5: ($0.99 in chips)
Seat 6: ($2.15 in chips)
pxxxx1: posts small blind $0.05
dxxxxb1972: posts big blind $0.10
*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to ME [5A4A9]
: folds
I: raise $0.10 to $0.20
cxxxx747: calls $0.20
: folds
: folds
dxxxxb1972: raises $0.10 to $0.30
I: call $0.10
cxxxx747: calls $0.10
dxxxxb1972: discards 2 cards
I: discard 3 cards [5 4 9]
Dealt to ME [A A] [32 K]
cxxxx747: discards 1 card
dxxxxb1972: bets $0.20
I: fold
cxxxx747: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.20) returned to dxxxx1972
dxxxxb1972 collected $0.91 from pot

I never know what the right play is. I am supposed to draw here and spike the ace/sigh pay off with 2 pair? I seem to lose a lot of money calling 3 bets.

Call predraw and fold to the c-bet with less than AAA. BB isn't likely to be bluffing out two opponents and likely has trips. Calling with Aces up postdraw is not recommended.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players - View hand 1916392
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 9 5 5 5 4
denver1_123 calls, Hero raises, Stevan52 folds, Anumenor calls, pollinn folds, denver1_123 calls

First Draw: (7 SB) (3 players)
Anumenor draws 3, denver1_123 draws 3, Hero draws 1
Hand: J 5 5 5 4
Anumenor checks, denver1_123 bets, Hero calls, Anumenor folds

Final Pot: 5.5 BB
denver1_123 shows A K Q J T (a Royal Flush)
Hero mucks J 5 5 5 4
denver1_123 wins 5.25 BB



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit 5 Card Draw - 6 players - View hand 1941031
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Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with T 9 8 7 3
UTG folds, MP folds, Hero raises, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls

First Draw: (4.4 SB) (2 players)
BB draws 3, Hero draws 1
Hand: T 9 8 7 6
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps!, Hero calls

Final Pot: 10.2 BB
Hero shows T 9 8 7 6 (a straight flush, Six to Ten)
BB mucks J J J J 9
Hero wins 10.2 BB



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit 5 Card Draw - 5 players - View hand 1942228
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Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is CO with K Q 9 8 5
UTG folds, Hero raises, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls

First Draw: (6 SB) (3 players)
SB draws 1, BB draws 1, Hero draws 5
Hand: Q J 9 7 2
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls

Final Pot: 5 BB
SB shows Q 9 6 5 2 (high card Queen)
Hero shows Q J 9 7 2 (high card Queen - Jack kicker)
Hero wins 4.78 BB
(Rake: $0.11)

Standard?

In the last one, Hero can draw three to KQ or stand pat, so I'd guess either you weren't the Hero or you misclicked.

Last one is good fun. Ive called with T9 high and won(lowest ever). Still sometimes call with stuff like that because its good fun :P

3 to royal Ive only seen once(now twice). Ive lost with AAAA vs a Th straight flush once. Worst ever beat.

Obviously I don't pay off with aces up in this particular hand because he drew 2 and showed me what he has. However mostly they are smart enough to draw 1 and that's towards what my question is geared.

With JJ-AA I am really unsure whether to call a 3 bet (both IP and OOP) and for the most part I just fold especially at 10c/20c because they seldom get aggro with draws unlike at $2/$4+. You definitely see opens with draws but mostly its limps/cold calls, whereas in a 2/4 or 3/6 game it's common to see 3 bets and sometimes even caps with draws.

Also you tend to see people just flat low two pair. And I am beginning to think that is possibly the right play (or fold). So that influences my decision when facing a 3 bet at 10c/20c because their range is so much more pat hands and trips (or seems it).

I feel with aces you probably have to call a 3 bet, but with kings or below you can definitely just dump.

LV I have a solution for yours problem.

Instead of wondering whether you should(n't) call a 3-bet with one pair in FL, move up in stakes and you'll wonder whether you should(n't) call postdraw with unimproved one pair.

And also if you have an option - play drunk, it helps:

Yeah it's weird, coz I have a job dealing, and I'm being a massive nit with my money. I want to save up $50k (~£31k) to play FL mixed games+live in America. FL is non existent in England, all non holdem games played pot limit. A disaster for minbettors such as myself!

So it means I am reluctant, at least while I am in the early stages of saving, to put down any proper money for poker. Disciplined with BR as I am, this means I play the stakes my BR allows. With $14 in my PS account, the lowest draw game is all I can play. Oh, and $0.02/$0.04 LHE/O8 and $0.04c/$0.08 Stud games, and the smallest sit and gos.

Question for you Huricano, how do you get PokerHands to work now? Stars changed the HH format meaning it is no longer compatible, thus rendering the no longer maintained PokerHands useless to me (or so it seems). With regards to that FPDB software, I have no idea how to get that working, and would pay $10 to anyone who can set it up and tell me exactly how to work it without issue.

$14 is enough for FL 0.25$/0.5$ 5 card draw
AFAIR I drop ~15$ once with about 30k-50k hands behind me.

Here is my actual version of PokerHands:
http://www.sendspace.pl/file/7be34c074b6a75e4b471dc4

(if it's in Polish then "pobierz"=download)

It requires .NET Framework 4.0 and PostgreSQL database to work.

Not enough for 4 tables IMO!

Ty, I have some minor experience with Polish, been there, great country.

You're saying this version works with the latest PS HH's?