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To snow or not to snow? 10/20c To snow or not to snow? 10/20c

07-23-2016 , 03:42 AM
Hey guys,

There is the hand 1: posted below which I want to know about - shoot what ever you like about it.

Hand 1: indicates similar feeling I had with hand 2: I break my snow OTR because it is not looking good to continue patting. Comments welcomed about this decision as well.


Hand 2: what do you do in the sb (or even button) with 74222, with little fold equity from callers, and call down is common from them. (No information about how they react to a 3pat hand). In the hand I took 2 cards.


Dont have a cow, heres your converted hand
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 4 players

BB: $19.82 (Hero)
UTG: $2.68
Button: $0.90
SB: $5.20

Dealing Hands: ($0.15) (4 players)
UTG folds, Button calls $0.10, SB folds, Hero raises to $0.20, Button calls $0.10

First Draw: ($0.45) (2 players)
Hero stands, Button discards 4,

Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.10

Second Draw: ($0.65) (2 players)
Hero stands, Button discards 2,

Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

Third Draw: ($1.05) (2 players)
Hero discards 2, Button discards 1,
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Hero bets $0.20, Button raises to $0.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.20

Hero showed , Lo: 8,6,5,4,2
Button showed , Lo: a pair of Sevens
Hero won $1.77
(Rake: $0.08)

Last edited by Oimonline; 07-23-2016 at 04:06 AM.
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07-23-2016 , 01:03 PM
I don't understand what's going on with hand 1, if your going to snow against a guy like this you need to follow through, most of his folds are going to come on the river anyway.

Hand 2 I don't like throwing away such a good draw on a snow, especially multiway. draw 2 and you can have some opportunities to bluff later.
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07-23-2016 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Donk Quixote
I don't understand what's going on with hand 1, if your going to snow against a guy like this you need to follow through, most of his folds are going to come on the river anyway.

Hand 2 I don't like throwing away such a good draw on a snow, especially multiway. draw 2 and you can have some opportunities to bluff later.
Your second point hits home and reminds me about that value of the draw. Thanks for the feed back. The first hand is because they call down, but keeping with my snow is a great point. thanks for help on both hands.
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07-25-2016 , 01:51 PM
I wouldn't snow this hand right away. It's just so valuable to make a hand with the dead cards that I don't want to throw away my equity right away.

If I did decide to snow I'd certainly not draw at the end and don't really understand why you did.
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07-26-2016 , 06:14 AM
Don't snow against 5 bet stacks. They just say F it and stick it in
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07-26-2016 , 04:58 PM
Maybe no good to break at the end and just give up. I break to adjust because 100% my feeling is I am getting a call down. I don't think he is ever folding OTR. '

Despite this, I have also been refreshed in the thought process from comments. Such as continue snow, choosing valuable draws over snows and snow in later streets as an third option. HAs been 2 years since play. Thanks for support and advice.

Last edited by Oimonline; 07-26-2016 at 05:06 PM.
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07-26-2016 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Oimonline
Maybe no good to break at the end and just give up. I break to adjust because 100% my feeling is I am getting a call down. I don't think he is ever folding OTR. '
If he's never folding on the river even when he's still drawing and catches a pair then you can go ahead and throw snowing out and only ever value bet him.
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07-26-2016 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Don't snow against 5 bet stacks. They just say F it and stick it in
Thanks for reminder.

There is majority percentage call OTR at this stake, unless good table play is occuring (not the case for these hands). Most of us, me included now after my hiatus (I am not as strong as I was at this limit), who just play poor resulting in loose play and calls and raises OTR anything from a pair of 6's down (seen just now and in the #1 example).

Thus in reflection I prefer draw and answer my own question, with support from the numbers on good underneath draws being better. And snow is going to have value in some circumstances but respect and fold equity is a large part I have to keep an eye on, and who is in the pot. This combination will give the best win rate I feel, and the most value in pots when drawing and hit, to exploit these loose calls and raises.

Since returning this week, respect is something I am finding hard at getting let alone maintaing, which I used to get and keep well and abuse with a lot of stuffs thrown in the mix. This indicates I am playing c game mostly. :/

Thanks everyone.

Last edited by Oimonline; 07-26-2016 at 05:30 PM.
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