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Old 03-22-2017, 01:45 PM   #1
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Pineapple

Getting pretty obsessed with the pineapple app. A few questions:

1. My stats are 6.2 RPH/22.6% FL/21.5% foul over 3645. That include a little bit of 2/7 in the middle, but not much (maybe a couple hundred hands). Anyone have a sense of how that rates? I'm pretty aggressive with FL which I think shows in both of the last two numbers.

2. Anyone have a sense of the variance in Pineapple? For instance, I'm up 834 points on someone over 1030 hands. My suspicion is that's sufficient to feel relatively confident I have an edge, but not sure. Whiffing or binking on your FL draws can create pretty big short term swings.

3. What do you guys do when you have an ace in your first 5 cards. Say you have TT25A, no three to a flush. I used to set that up TT2/5/A, going for FL up top. However, I've started thinking it's better to put the ace in the middle, TT2/5A/-, because (I) I'm often not comfortable pairing the Ace up top if I nothing going for myself in the middle and (ii) pairing the ace in the middle allows me to go for a relatively risk free FL with a K or Q up top. If I replaced the A with a K or Q it would definitely go up top.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:04 AM   #2
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Re: Pineapple

I'm pretty new to this game, but I find A in teh middle to be kind of optimal - still setting up FL but not going for it too hard that you risk fouling too much. I also saw a tutorial that Barry Greenstein did on YT, and he mentioned A in middle as a good thing too, although he was talking regular OFC but I think the concept holds for POFC.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:18 AM   #3
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I've too found A in the middle is the way to go. Sure AA up top gets you 2 extra royalty points, but it becomes a lot harder to get something in the middle that beats it and thus you foul more and go to fantasyland less. With A in the middle, you can throw all your Ks and Qs up top. K in the middle works too for this effect, but less so. In a KK+ fantasyland game (as isn't uncommon for pineapple), an ace in the middle seems exceptionally mandatory.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:08 PM   #4
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In a KK+ fantasyland game (as isn't uncommon for pineapple), an ace in the middle seems exceptionally mandatory.
This seems the opposite to me. I think you'd be MORE likely to put an Ace up top, otherwise if you put it in the middle then it's only exactly KK up top that can take you to FL. (But in regular it can obviously be either KK or QQ, so you're more likely to.)
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:33 PM   #5
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This seems the opposite to me. I think you'd be MORE likely to put an Ace up top, otherwise if you put it in the middle then it's only exactly KK up top that can take you to FL. (But in regular it can obviously be either KK or QQ, so you're more likely to.)
Agreed idk what I was thinking. How common is KK+ pineapple FL? It seems to run as much if not more than QQ+ on SwC. KK+ for regular seems pretty boring whereas it seems good for pineapple since it brings FL rates more in line with that of regular.
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Old 03-24-2017, 04:35 PM   #6
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Re: Pineapple

Thanks. Just for context I'm playing QQ+ for FL.
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Old 03-24-2017, 06:59 PM   #7
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Re: Pineapple

How would set this hand?

A4283

Would you go A-4 in the bottom if all 5s are live?
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:55 AM   #8
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How would set this hand?

A4283

Would you go A-4 in the bottom if all 5s are live?
This is a tough one. I probably wouldn't waste an axe on a gut shot on the bottom. I'd probably go 84 btm/ 23 middle/ ace up top. Maybe A23 in middle. Would also depend how many Ks and Qs are live.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:07 AM   #9
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Re: Pineapple

IDK if this is a strategy already being implemented, but I have been having alot of success lately with this:

=>1010x on top
wheel draws on middle
=>flush on bottom

makes it very when drawing not to foul, and you get a lot of royalties when you fill out all 3 (especially FL obviously).

Thoughts?
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:22 PM   #10
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IDK if this is a strategy already being implemented, but I have been having alot of success lately with this:

=>1010x on top
wheel draws on middle
=>flush on bottom

makes it very when drawing not to foul, and you get a lot of royalties when you fill out all 3 (especially FL obviously).

Thoughts?
Seems OK if your wheel draw in the middle has an ace, and your aces are reasonably live, because that way you have extra outs if you fail to hit the wheel in the middle. Without the ace in the middle I don't like it nearly as much. Will also add that it can be hard to make your wheel because you may need to use wheel outs to complete the flush on the bottom.
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Old 04-17-2017, 02:37 PM   #11
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Seems OK if your wheel draw in the middle has an ace, and your aces are reasonably live, because that way you have extra outs if you fail to hit the wheel in the middle. Without the ace in the middle I don't like it nearly as much. Will also add that it can be hard to make your wheel because you may need to use wheel outs to complete the flush on the bottom.
yeah would always be with an ace included. i should had noted that. i feel that it covers all bases to make FL possible (lesser two pair, ace pair, wheel), as well as covers a good equity in royalties.

i also only like it when my initial draw is spread out... like k, 10, 10, 4, 3. or a, q, 2, 9, 8.

would never try this with a 6,2,2,5,3 type hand.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:47 PM   #12
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yeah would always be with an ace included. i should had noted that. i feel that it covers all bases to make FL possible (lesser two pair, ace pair, wheel), as well as covers a good equity in royalties.

i also only like it when my initial draw is spread out... like k, 10, 10, 4, 3. or a, q, 2, 9, 8.
would never try this with a 6,2,2,5,3 type hand.
Absent 3 to a flush on either of these, I'd set the first one TT3/4/K and the second one 98/A2/Q, but I'm a whore for FL.
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Old 04-18-2017, 09:37 AM   #13
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Absent 3 to a flush on either of these, I'd set the first one TT3/4/K and the second one 98/A2/Q, but I'm a whore for FL.
haha. yeah i'm to develop a more balanced approach to royalties and FL.
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Old 04-27-2017, 01:33 PM   #14
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Re: Pineapple

What's your name on there? Tournament ranking?


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Getting pretty obsessed with the pineapple app. A few questions:

1. My stats are 6.2 RPH/22.6% FL/21.5% foul over 3645. That include a little bit of 2/7 in the middle, but not much (maybe a couple hundred hands). Anyone have a sense of how that rates? I'm pretty aggressive with FL which I think shows in both of the last two numbers.

2. Anyone have a sense of the variance in Pineapple? For instance, I'm up 834 points on someone over 1030 hands. My suspicion is that's sufficient to feel relatively confident I have an edge, but not sure. Whiffing or binking on your FL draws can create pretty big short term swings.

3. What do you guys do when you have an ace in your first 5 cards. Say you have TT25A, no three to a flush. I used to set that up TT2/5/A, going for FL up top. However, I've started thinking it's better to put the ace in the middle, TT2/5A/-, because (I) I'm often not comfortable pairing the Ace up top if I nothing going for myself in the middle and (ii) pairing the ace in the middle allows me to go for a relatively risk free FL with a K or Q up top. If I replaced the A with a K or Q it would definitely go up top.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:57 AM   #15
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What's your name on there? Tournament ranking?
I'm @MIB211
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:36 PM   #16
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Re: Pineapple

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IDK if this is a strategy already being implemented, but I have been having alot of success lately with this:

=>1010x on top
wheel draws on middle
=>flush on bottom

makes it very when drawing not to foul, and you get a lot of royalties when you fill out all 3 (especially FL obviously).

Thoughts?
Terrible
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