I was told by a member that euro hours seem to be best. But I've only seen 30ish peek players.

I'm pretty sure the owner would help out by doing some sort of promotion around it.

Saturday and Sundays work best for me.

Started playing ofc a couple of weeks ago with a few co-workers and then found this thread. We're dealing a QQ/13 FL and we're all new to ofc, but have played NL HE/O8 local cash games together for quite some time. I DL'd an Android app from MWSGames (the ying yang symbol) and have been messing around with hand sets versus the bot opponent to see how the cards run out. Are there any better app recommendations for the Android S5 and/or Kindle play?

Right now we're playing a $1/pt and I may talk to them about the KK/14 FL I saw ITT the next time we play. Is it better to play a set number of hands per session and settle up? Normally we'll play 5-6 hours straight until one of us is called back to work. Outside of this thread, any other material I should look at to gain an edge or better understanding of the game? Thanks for helping me out here.

I hate KK for FL personally. But it's different. Check out the ABC app. The most common one.

In terms of playing it depends on who you play with, Friends you trust or jus random people. A close friend and I play $1 pt 4 games when one game reaches 300 pts we close it settle up and start a new one.

Played with a few guys here and we settle up via paypal.

The games fairly new so there isn't much info out, check out play warren. I've been fooling around with it and found some glaring mistakes. Although he is better suited for standard open face not pineapple.

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http://www.openfaceodds.com/

http://www.solvingofc.com/

http://vegasofc.com/

http://www.subscriptioncontent.net/n...ers-watch-out/

Here is a nice article outlining the changes that need to be made to subscription models. Since I am literally launching a subscription based site today this is very helpful to me, thanks. I hope I can do a better job than Tri and customer service and look forward to being the place to go for OFC solutions. New launch post coming in just a minute.

A couple quick solutions from my simulator.



Here the question is: Do we put trips middle or not? The answer is:

T Bottom, 7 middle: -6.264
T bottom, 7 (or J) bottom: -8.975
T bottom, 7 (or J) top: -9.09

I found it interesting that closing the bottom was better than closing the top, its definitely not my first thought reaction.




Here we have a few options. The answer might surprise you:

K Top, T bottom: -4.525
K Top, T Middle: -4.622
...
K Middle, T Bottom: -6.151
...
K Top, 8 Middle: -8.955

This just goes to show that beating Q high up top is more valuable than we might have thought, and two pairing the middle doesn't accomplish much when our opponent has only 1 overcard out (and running 2P or 99+).

Is obvious answer obvious?

I'm so used to pineapple that I take one look at that and instantly think "KQ/A/JT".

It'd be different if you were in position, or even better, in position in a 3 or 4 way game where you could see that the cards already out are all favorable to you so that you could get creative. If I get that hand on button in a 4 player game and almost no spades dead, including the QTss, then I get creative. UTG? Obvious answer is obvious.

Yeah I am mostly pineapple right now, too, but avoiding strat or other analytics for now Sinai can figure things out a bit for myself and see if I can work through my play style and gameplay without reading other people's analysis that could bias my own potential findings.

Once I have it figured out on my end then ill go back and compare my theories with consensus and other individual approaches.

Does that make sense? It's possible I'm a bit high right now.

And yup, I was UTG. So hate regular OFC now. I resisted pineapple for a bit because I thought I would hate it (I prefer HE TO Omaha), but like everyone else I fell in live with it.

And without reading a single piece of strat yet have already made more at pineapple than I have at OFC.

To most people, pineapple is better because it's more gambooly, more big hands, more action, etc.

But for those who don't necessarily want more action or more big hands (that's not the same as being anti big hands, just that whether or not I prefer a version of ofc to another isn't based on the presence of big hands), pineapple still is much better because you have both more decisions and more diversity of types of decisions. In regular ofc, your decision is where to play one card - choose the best fit. In pineapple, you both have to choose which of the cards to play and then once you've chosen which two, where to play.

It's actually why I like ofc pineapple 2-7 mid the best. You have to balance a card that has value both as a low and as a possible flush or pair or whatnot. More diversity of decisions.

/rant

/rant

Heh. Same opponent. Concurrent game. Also first to act, Right after I set hand above:



Same scenario, slightly smaller scale.

Straight flush being only 15 and the lack of being able to use either of the two clubs as a FL card, unlike the Q of diamonds , makes this one an entirely no brainer.

30% RB for OFC on pocket rockets for a month!!! Let's get some games going guys!

Well, yeah. I just foud it amusing.

But I am easily amused.

Here is one that appears to be a no-brainer, but based on opponent's board maybe notsomuch? (Wondering if obvious move maybe not so obvious here):

You're not live for FL if you hold out for spades as the fourth Q would likely be needed by you for a spade. He's only got two outs, although not enough people realize that its not a guaranteed foul on his end, just likely. But then again, trip 2s only gives you a small FL shot, or even a shot at something like Js or 9s (next street KJ, last street J). But its definitely not particularly likely.

I can see the case against trip 2s. He either beats trip 2s in back (since he needs to bink a 8 or running 3s) or he fouls. However, I wouldn't pair the T in the middle since it gives you a non-zero chance of fouling. If you want to hold out for the flush, do so in a way that keeps yourself in a non-foul set and also keeps open the miracle FL spot just in case. T top, 2 mid. I like it only because your complete brick scenario does the same as trip 2s, pair, Q-high: both win 6 if he fouls, and lose 13 or 19 if he hits.

We often play Dealer's Choice OFC in the home game. It's a fun way to play but it can cause severe head-scratching when you switch between variations. I wrote up a brief article on the main variants we play, some basic meta-strategy for game pacing, profitability and run bad, as well as links to practice modules for each variation.

http://openfaceodds.com/index.html

We play about 10 variants of OFC, but for simplicity's sake I focused on four of them: Standard, Turbo, Pineapple and 2-7. In a future part II I will outline some of the more complex variations we play, like Turbo Pineapple and what we call Catch-44 (basically Pineapple, but dealt 4-4-4-4).

For those of you interested in spicing up the weekend game and/or getting an edge up on your buddies.

just started playing this and im getting my ass kicked. Any good beginner threads or tips?

So far I got:
F = Front M = Middle B = Back X = Discard

2d2htd
FXM -3.702
XFM -3.702
BBX -4.560
BXM -6.346
XBM -6.346

Any other suggested moves to test?

Interesting that I'm the dog in this hand. Would not have guessed that.

2outs 2 draws = 33% * (7+7.5+2+~5 (scooping tons) + FH bottom chances + FH b+m chances) = ~7-10
66% foul, but a foul isn't -6 since King_Fish fouls a bit too.

Try flat's suggestion 10 top 2 middle where we never foul.

I don't see any reason to play your hand in any way that risks fouling at this point (not counting wierd backdoor fouls like KKK on the final street). Tens in the middle doesn't win the row. If he doesn't foul, his minimun is QQ/777/888, so Tens doesn't do anything in the middle. Yeah I guess it opens up TTT in the middle but that's such a small likelihood (plus one of those tens is a spade and would be needed for a flush anyway).

I'm all for holding onto the flush draw b/c it's the best way to not get scooped, and it's a royalty in addition. But don't risk fouling to do so. T top, 2 middle keeps open your flush draw and also allows you to not foul if you brick. Conversely, T in the middle puts you at a risk of fouling if you brick, and for what, the tiny chance you hit a flush AND hit trip tens to win two rows?

Concur!

He's not as dead as it seems, and when he hits he's going to get either 17 or 13 from us, plus FL points as well. We're looking at 6 or 10 if he fouls, at most, outside of a very few mirace runouts.

I was looking at it from the All-in set player's (cosmo's) perspective, describing why we are an underdog in the hand. I already showed with the simulator that T top 2 middle is in fact the best play.

I completely agree with your reasoning, don't take any risks and just hope to make a flush in the back. That's really the only way to salvage the hand.

Don't think you showed T top / 2 mid unless I read your post wrong, looks like 22 bottom and the 10 middle in the other 4 examples.

Hmm, maybe I didnt, or maybe I typod, will check and get back to you, my bad.

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