Any thoughts on BR requirements? I have $120 and want to take a shot at .20/.40 but I'm assuming I should buy in for the max ($10) which would mean only 12 buyins. That's pretty aggro for NLHE standards and crazy for PLO.

I've been fooling around at play money 8 game and people there are absolutely terrible (e.g. calling a river bet with a pair of jacks in Omaha or calling with a K low in razz). Would it be naive to think .20/.40 is that bad?

As always it depends on how well you play the diffrent games.
But .2/.4 is very beatable so 300 BB should be enough for a shot if you arent going to stake off too light in the big bet games.

meeeeeh,

sick hand imo. is the bet on 6th bad?
im not too good at stud8 so i appreciate any comments

Poker Stars $4/$8 Limit Stud Hi/Lo $0.80 Ante - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

3rd Street:
17chips: xx xx 2
greenwich: xx xx 7
FrankS86: xx xx 3
Hero: A 5 6
cneuy3: xx xx 3

17chips raises, greenwich calls, FrankS86 calls, Hero 3-bets, cneuy3 caps!, 17chips calls, greenwich folds, FrankS86 calls, Hero caps!, cneuy3 calls, 17chips calls, FrankS86 calls

4th Street: (18 SB) (4 players)
17chips: xx xx 2 8
FrankS86: xx xx 3 5
Hero: A 5 6 Q
cneuy3: xx xx 3 Q

Hero bets, cneuy3 raises, 17chips 3-bets, FrankS86 caps!, Hero calls, cneuy3 calls, 17chips calls

5th Street: (17 BB) (4 players)
17chips: xx xx 2 8 9
FrankS86: xx xx 3 5 8
Hero: A 5 6 Q 5
cneuy3: xx xx 3 Q K

cneuy3 checks, 17chips bets all in, FrankS86 completes, Hero calls, cneuy3 calls

6th Street: (20.238 BB) (4 players - 1 is all in)
17chips: xx xx 2 8 9 T
FrankS86: xx xx 3 5 8 J
Hero: A 5 6 Q 5 6
cneuy3: xx xx 3 Q K 8

Hero bets, cneuy3 raises, FrankS86 3-bets, Hero calls, cneuy3 caps!, FrankS86 calls, Hero calls

7th Street: (32.237 BB) (4 players - 1 is all in)
17chips: xx xx 2 8 9 T xx
FrankS86: xx xx 3 5 8 J xx
Hero: A 5 6 Q 5 6 4
cneuy3: xx xx 3 Q K 8 xx

Hero checks, cneuy3 bets, FrankS86 raises, Hero folds, cneuy3 3-bets, FrankS86 calls

yes that is abad bet because the way scneuy played his hand its very very likley he made his flush.

He catches a high suited card on 4th street and raised you. Its unlikley he is rolled up cause Frank also has a 3 and i dont think he would cap with queens on 3rd. that leaves three suited low cards on 3rd and flush draw on 4th

Further he slowed down after he bricks on 5th street while no possible draw hits one of the other players.

So on 6th youre up against a low (Frank) and a flush (cneuys) with 7 outs (4 spades, two 6s and a 5) and its possible that the 2 and 4 of spades are only good for second best high hand.

id c/f because youll get jammed.

Yeah I think it's pretty clear cneuy had a flush draw when he continued after catching a Q of the same suit as his first card and continues after all that action. Besides, even if he doesn't, I don't see how you can get any extra bets in on this street versus weaker hands. I'd check, hopefully be able to call and try and hit one of my outs.

Found it to be juicy around 1/2 especially on PLO and 2-7 Triple draw. Found that it was great fun when the big MTT's are on because everyone gets bored, and want to try something new.

PLO can be crazy though, made $400 in two hands, when everyone shoved PF twice with general rags and I managed to out-luck them. The variance can be a bit crazy...

yeah PLO is by far ppls worst game by far.

also i run like jesus

I ran horrific yesterday. 0 for 6 in flips for 2k total dollars, 1k in equity. May have also caused some tilting lol....

Agreed about PLO. I play pretty nutso in that game but in a semi controlled way that usually works. People just go too crazy reraising with AA hands without reraising anything else is one of the number 1 things I see. If they only reraise AA hands it makes them soooo easy to play against. They dont realize they should either be calling with their AA hands or widening their 3bet range considerably.

Yeah this is completely correct imo. Note that Tinky's bet after the second draw is pretty bad and makes the other guy's play that is generally bad, into a play that is good (CRing the 876).

can you explain why Tinkys play makes the play with 876 any good?

i really dont get it.

i guess Tinky had 97 and wanted to stand pat and decided to break when checkraised. (not sure if patting 97 there vs 2 opponents is good, i guess boarderline or sligly bad). i dont think he broke a better 87 here from my experinece in these games.

imo the guy with 876 just got lucky that tinky had the bottom part of his range and it didnt get checked through, but curious why you think it makes the play good.

Oh well if he broke a 97 then sure that would be the exception. I guess I was thinking at the time that he bet a strong 7 draw unimproved in that spot, which would be bad imo. If he bets unimproved there, then the 876 has an easy checkraise for value, but if he only bets when he actually has a hand he intends to pat, 876 1) should have bet himself and not been in this situation, and 2) is sort of in no man's land with a hand that's a slight dog to Tinky's pat range but may be unable to break in a big pot.

Bankroll for 8-game is messed up. PLO and NLHE don't belong in 8-game. They should replace those with Badugi and something else. I'm forced to fold/sitout whenever PLO and NLHE rolls around, since I don't have the bankroll for those games.

Despite the fact that I agree with you about the unbalanced nature of the big bet games Machine Bid, sitting out of those games is a big breach of ethics imo.

i dont think the nl/plo games play much bigger. if you play much hu they play the biggest imo because in studgames there is a lot of folding on early streets.

but if you dont play deepstacked or headsup you wont need a bigger bankroll for nl/pl than for the other games.

i would recommend to buyin short and play kinda tight if you are below average in plo/nl.



thanks for clearing that up DD. thought i missed something. if a guy frequently checkraises his pathands in multiwaypots he will miss out enough value for me not to worry about it right? or do i somehow have to adjust?

Yeah, sitting out certain games is really not okay.

Yeah, I really couldn't care less. I'm there to make money, not impress you with my poker etiquette. Besides, they all bail when 27 TD and Razz comes around, my best games, so f*** them.

GTFO

Pathetic. It's not etiquette, it's against the 8 game rules. Normally I'd say something if I sat in your game, but probably wouldn't in your case given that you consider TD one of your best games.

Yeah, just take your free cards and enjoy. And don't forget to 3 bet him a little bit lighter than you normally would when you are pat and he CRs multiway (which would normally be super strong looking).

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Is there any tracking software that will capture all 8 games?

Not to my knowledge... anyone?

I would just love some software that capture profit/loss for each game.

I'm pretty sure you could email stars and ask them for this info.

Failing that, ask them for the HH for all your 8game play and write a script to scrape the game-type and win/loss of every hand (shouldn't be too hard to do this).


I'm also fairly sure that very very few people play enough 8game to get statistically significant numbers for any one game.