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Newbie 2-7 TD: Just a cooler, or break a #3? Newbie 2-7 TD: Just a cooler, or break a #3?

06-19-2016 , 01:44 PM
5-handed, 4-8 limit home game. Hero is Button. Villain is super-aggressive, and plays 99% of cards preflop.

Game is relatively loose - good poker players overall but nobody is a 2-7 TD expert. A LOT of loose calling.

Hero has Q7652 and is shortstacked with about $41 behind.

Blinds post $2 and $4, HJ limps $4, CO limps $4, Hero(button) limps $4, SB calls $2, Villain (BB) raises to $8, HJ, CO, Hero, and SB call $4.

Pot is $40. Hero has $33 behind.

First draw. SB takes two, Villain takes two, HJ takes two, CO takes 2, Hero discards the Queen, picks up 3. Hero has 76532 for #3.

SB checks, Villain bets $4, HJ folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $8. SB folds, Villian 3-bets to $12. CO folds, Hero caps at $16. Villain calls.

Pot is $76. hero has $17 behind.

Heads up. Second draw.

Villain takes one. Hero pats.

Villian checks. Hero bets $8. Villain calls.

Pot is $ 92. Hero has $9 behind.

Heads up. Last draw.

Villain takes one. Hero pats.

Villian checks. Hero bets $8., Villian check-raises(??) to $9 effective. Hero calls $1 all-in.

Villian shows 75432, a #1. Villian takes pot of $110.
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06-19-2016 , 04:57 PM
I'm never breaking #3. Coolers happen. Plenty when there's 3 draws!


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06-19-2016 , 06:12 PM
You need to raise preflop as much as they'll allow. At what point after you make number 3 here would you consider breaking? You were never against a pat hand?! This is a cooler and a bad beat story, nothing more.
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06-20-2016 , 09:10 AM
:O
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06-20-2016 , 11:32 AM
I think it's funny he went for river check raise with $1 behind rather than leading
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06-20-2016 , 12:20 PM
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06-27-2016 , 06:34 AM
Lol. Just came in here to lol at breaking #3 . Nh.
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06-27-2016 , 08:14 PM
What point are you suggesting breaking #3? Because he is drawing 1 till the river. On average he probably has like 5% equity to outdraw you given he is drawing dead. By asking if you should break #3, you are asking whether you should break a nut hand to have a <10% chance to make the nuts while reducing yourself to a coinflip versus all his drawing hands just for the off-chance he makes a #1-#3 himself.
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06-28-2016 , 04:07 PM
I once broke #3 on last draw in a four way pot when an opponent showed incredible strength. I made #1 and chopped. I was an idiot
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07-14-2016 , 06:12 AM
Can never ever ever break #
3 this is just a cooler

There are times where not rushing to cap on the end may be understandable but pretty rare
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07-17-2016 , 11:56 PM
Villain takes 1 on the last draw is what you said. So when would you have had the opportunity to break, even if you somehow did know that you were behind? Even if there was a 4th draw to come, I would not break this hand, especially vs. someone you say is super aggressive.

Also, raise preflop. Or, at least if you limped to bring others in (which doesn't serve you any good in the higher stakes, not sure about this game), then at least limp reraise when it comes back to you predraw.

"Good poker players overall, but LOTS of loose calling"? This is an oxymoron.
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07-21-2016 , 03:59 PM
Winning card came from bottom of the deck? Just be careful in the home games, that's all I'm saying. Bad Luck.
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07-21-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Oimonline
Winning card came from bottom of the deck? Just be careful in the home games, that's all I'm saying. Bad Luck.
at $4/$8?
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07-21-2016 , 04:46 PM
Haha, it was kind of a joke but it also has merit on the basis of good slight of hand or other factors of cheating.

When I played pub poker, it as easy to assemble muck cards such that a card can be on the bottom, or grouped such as aces. Then also, you can shuffle so that after cut they are likely to be delt etc.

I was mostly joking
And cheating is cheating, not sure how limit will change that?
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07-22-2016 , 12:16 PM
Lol.
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07-25-2016 , 09:02 PM
You played it bad. Shoulda just b/f last betting round
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07-26-2016 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl
You played it bad. Shoulda just b/f last betting round
Don't listen to this. You can't even buy a cheeseburger with $1.

Bahaha. In it is the point.

He has outs, you can expect sometimes he is hitting them. His call range OTR greater than #3?

The check/raise is either a "non kiss strategy not benefiting the player", he wanted to showdown and save you a blind, or you have tells.

Be aware of visual and audio tells in hand in live play. This is important, you should observe your self in games; maybe you talk in the hand when normally you are quiet, or 100% bet pats otr in position, or some other obvious tells such as chip tells.

Note: Unless he is cheating, the frequency of making great hands by villain will increase, thus it is a home game you need to leave or out-cheat. It's a cooler otherwise.

Last edited by Oimonline; 07-26-2016 at 05:57 PM.
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07-26-2016 , 06:36 PM
When I started posting in this forum, I was told 3 bet all 1 card draws. Definately have to bet, even 8743x. It is an information leak otherwise and polarizing hands. This is a solid point I always remember.
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