I only watch this hand but felt like the button made two pretty basic mistakes, curious how others feel though. I only saw the action on the last draw and river.

Pot has about 3.5 BB

3rd draw check check..draw goes pat pat. Button pats with 10-8-643.

First guy tank bets and button then folds the 10 8.

Thoughts???



my thoughts in the spoiler.

In regards to your spoiler, sometimes I am patting river with the intention to fold after (which I think is correct). But the rest of the hand, it's very hard to say without knowing the previous action. How many discards on 2nd? How do you know that's what he folded?
If they were both also pat on second, I'm definitely discarding the 10. We have a clean draw to an 8. Also most of the time I'm discarding it if it was 1 vs 1 on 2nd and there is a bet on the turn. In fact I'm always discarding the 10 when I see him pat first, unless: the previous action was something strange like both discarding 1 or 2 on 2nd, and then check and pat (although this would almost never happen), or we were both 2 vs 2 on 2nd, or he was 1 and we were 2 on 2nd, and I know he's very loose.

I was on the rail.

Lol, that was the only part you address? :/. And yes I guessed that, but you obv can't see what someone is folding from the rail, unless he activated Stars' feature where you select cards to show before folding them, and showed all of them (but doesn't seem like that interesting a spot to do that).

Sorry the game was live, and that was the only question you asked I could answer. Like I said i only saw the last draw, so the other stuff i'm not privy to.

So the focus of my question was specifically the last draw and the final betting.

Wouldn't it be a leak to never fold after patting? Shouldn't we have some pat hands in our checking range? If so is this hand too strong? Would we be better off with a hand we don't mind breaking if our opponent stands pat? Are you saying we should never be taking this line with any hands, or that this hand shouldn't be in that group?

But honestly, I was intending on calling the river, but the tank bet just had to be a thin vbet so I folded it.

I can see the logic of the last statement, I did forget the tank bet.

And lolololololollololol

Once OOP player realized btn was weak (when he checked after patting), OOP gauged his hand to be best. He might have been looking to x/r (as OP stated not knowing previous action), but may have been more likely to be betting a 97 or 96 type. Not sure if the tank is a guy contemplating a thin value bet or hollywooding to get paid off.

Why not bet the pat 10 before the last draw? Or was the OOP guy pat already?