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HanndyManny · 03-06-2011, 05:21 PM

shorthand for draws rough/pats light is "Gus"

besmod · 03-09-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DesertCat

1) River value betting ranges headsup and 3 way.

2) River bluff catching ranges, headsup only, vs. pat or when both take 1.

3) River bluff ranges, i.e. how low will they bluff, a Queen, or a Jack? This one seems a little less clear-cut, but I'm hoping it should give me an rough idea when combined with #1 of their bluffs to bets ratio.

4) Whether they bet or raise out of position unimproved.

5) Whather they bet or raise in position unimproved.

6) Whether I catch them snowing and the pattern (2-1-Pat, etc)

7) Turn Pat range, both headsup and three way.

I think this is making your notes way too complicated, I also think having too specific notes can be counter-productive if you are playing a villain that is either changing their play or improving their game.

I like to categorise opponents into 4 player-types and have a colour each. I make specific notes every time villain either confirms or acts opposite to the stereotypical play of their category and change it if necessary.

Generally I act according to the colour-codes I put on people, and if I have a tough decision, I peak at the specific notes for help.

HanndyManny · 03-09-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by besmod

I think this is making your notes way too complicated, I also think having too specific notes can be counter-productive if you are playing a villain that is either changing their play or improving their game.

I like to categorise opponents into 4 player-types and have a colour each. I make specific notes every time villain either confirms or acts opposite to the stereotypical play of their category and change it if necessary.

Generally I act according to the colour-codes I put on people, and if I have a tough decision, I peak at the specific notes for help.

Can you go more into how you catagorize and seperate the player types?

besmod · 03-09-2011, 12:06 PM

Sure I can elaborate a bit. For TD and Badugi I have these general stereotypes;

Blue - passive, limps a lot, overvalues rough pat hands, draws rough
Green - aggro, check-raises often, makes bad bluffs/snows, caps with nut draws
Yellow - easy to read, standard play, takes same line each time
Red - thinking player, adjusts to my play, switches gears

After playing 50+ hands at a table I usually have everyone colour-coded, and then occasionally make notes on specific things.

I am sure there is merit to having a lot of detailed notes on players, maybe I will get to that point one day. But at the micro stakes I play at, most people are probably learning as fast as I am and I am better off just generalizing and changing colour codes to fit how they are playing.

HanndyManny · 03-10-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by besmod

Sure I can elaborate a bit. For TD and Badugi I have these general stereotypes;

Blue - passive, limps a lot, overvalues rough pat hands, draws rough
Green - aggro, check-raises often, makes bad bluffs/snows, caps with nut draws
Yellow - easy to read, standard play, takes same line each time
Red - thinking player, adjusts to my play, switches gears

After playing 50+ hands at a table I usually have everyone colour-coded, and then occasionally make notes on specific things.

I am sure there is merit to having a lot of detailed notes on players, maybe I will get to that point one day. But at the micro stakes I play at, most people are probably learning as fast as I am and I am better off just generalizing and changing colour codes to fit how they are playing.

This is way better than what I do. Thanks!

DesertCat · 03-10-2011, 02:20 AM

excellent contributions, thanks.

Randomness28 · 03-10-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DesertCat

So I finally got to the point in my 2-7 education to start thinking about organizing and standardizing my note taking. But the more I thought about it the more complicated it got, I came up with short hand for all these situations/actions, then realized how complicated situations could be, and added more, etc.

Then I took a step back and asked myself, what would I actually use while making playing decisions. I'm not sure of everything, but right now I'm thinking I should track only actionable data that I can use to tweak my lines vs. specific villains. This is what I've come up with so far, any comments on how useful they are, which is most useful, and other specific common spots to note would be great.

1) River value betting ranges headsup and 3 way.

2) River bluff catching ranges, headsup only, vs. pat or when both take 1.

3) River bluff ranges, i.e. how low will they bluff, a Queen, or a Jack? This one seems a little less clear-cut, but I'm hoping it should give me an rough idea when combined with #1 of their bluffs to bets ratio.

4) Whether they bet or raise out of position unimproved.

5) Whather they bet or raise in position unimproved.

6) Whether I catch them snowing and the pattern (2-1-Pat, etc)

7) Turn Pat range, both headsup and three way.

I like this. Can you give an example of what notes would look like using this system?

Faluzure · 03-10-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomness28

I like this. Can you give an example of what notes would look like using this system?

Here are a few examples of notes I take in these sections:

1)
checked 97 IP in 1:1:1
led T in 1:1
just called #8 in 1:1
led #19 in 1:0 after 1:2 (I usually like to note at least one street of how the situation evolved to someone going pat and in spots like 1:2 I don't need to say the turn action because I know it went bet raise call or I'd have another note about something else)
etc...
2)
c/c 44 in 1:1
3)
Yeah, this for me is just tied up with #1. I just make lots of notes about 1:1 OOP and IP and 0:1/1:0 spots.
4)/5)
bet 1:1 UI otf
bet 3:2 UI
6)
I usually just note if they are capable of snowing first before trying to discern any sort of pattern (I just assume that they snow in regularish snow spots and would note if it was a very bizarre one). And in a similar vein I note if they pretty much never snowcatch which I guess is related to 2).
7)
I don't do this so much, but regarding turn play I try to note if they run breaking plays and things of that nature.

Edit: I also note things like 3b 2cds pre and if they are doing it with all their 2cds or anything else polarizing, if they raise to iso, etc..

Randomness28 · 03-10-2011, 08:29 PM

thanks... that is convenient to be able to quickly refer to a specific number for a close decision rather than try to read through a disorganized mish mash.

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snowboard789 · 02-03-2012, 09:12 AM

i also include berating comments like
"idiot donk"
and then continue with ranges, bluffing tendencies etc

EvilTeddy · 02-03-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by snowboard789

i also include berating comments like
"idiot donk"
and then continue with ranges, bluffing tendencies etc

Yeh my first note on a player is usually something like "Spewtard", often you don't even need more then that