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12-04-2010, 03:15 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Portland, OR
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Let's talk draw poker notes
I've been playing a little 2-7 triple draw lately, and was curious what everyone's shorthand is for note taking? I had been taking really verbose notes for lack of a system and it was really tilting.
Here's a sample of what I've come up with lately:
TD27:
BB v button: 2-1 2-1 then CR/fold !
draws really rough - 2 @ 457 def BB etc
Anybody have any other handy shorthand you guys are using or concepts/reads you feel are important for 2-7TD notes?
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12-04-2010, 03:26 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: zomg 2c sf bot
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
i use something akin to
#x a:b:c, something exploitable or noteworthy
ex
2x 1:2:1, no bet card ahead ip
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12-04-2010, 07:06 PM
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adept old hand grinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: in lak'ech
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
I always put the stakes, for ex:
2/4 TD: UTG draw 2 to 467--open btn, draw 3 often--
I like the colon and star suggestion someone made on this board for drawing notes:
-- 1:2* raise turn draw 1 x 3. (Where * = villains position_
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12-04-2010, 09:22 PM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2007
Location: In a DFW novel
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
Date, stakes, relative positions, agro/passive, tight/loose, list mistakes player made or moves they are capable of making.
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01-16-2011, 06:42 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,445
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
My note taking could be refined. Ex: "24679 draw 1 pat hu after first i draw 2, 1 then he chks turn back POT CONTROL DONK"
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01-16-2011, 07:21 PM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In Your Mind
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enon
My note taking could be refined. Ex: "24679 draw 1 pat hu after first i draw 2, 1 then he chks turn back POT CONTROL DONK"
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Tom Dwan?
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01-16-2011, 07:40 PM
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adept
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Doing Deals!
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
gus would be, "capped pre, drew 1 to 4567 and pat Ten on 1st draw"
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01-18-2011, 04:43 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 103
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
"spazzbets when drawing to nr1-4"
"creative thinker" - On a player that patted TT after first draw and betprayed all the way to showdown.
"vbets ****ing 35678 after third draw"
"raise 2X every position pre-draw"
"bluff 3bets after first draw and folds half the time to cap"
Yeah, time & date also matters, some of the players mentioned play better in the mornings and worse at evenings vice versa.
Last edited by helldonk; 01-18-2011 at 04:54 PM.
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01-19-2011, 04:04 AM
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adept
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
87653 is a standard vbet otr in many spots dude^^^
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01-19-2011, 11:38 AM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
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Originally Posted by Journeyman_1
87653 is a standard vbet otr in many spots dude^^^
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It was in a three or fourwaypot where the rest was drawing one card on third draw I see no point on betting rags like this after that. But i see your point.
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01-19-2011, 12:02 PM
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adept
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
you may need more specific notes then, because that note in a vacuum is redundant.
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01-19-2011, 12:07 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Norwegian donkey
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
Quote:
Originally Posted by helldonk
It was in a three or fourwaypot where the rest was drawing one card on third draw I see no point on betting rags like this after that. But i see your point.
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? Ive valuebet a J here and been called by way worse. Betting an 8 seems standard since you get called by so much junk in a big pot on the river.
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01-19-2011, 05:10 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: three draw donk
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
Something I like to track in draw high is stats on when they pat and showdown. Something like "2-2" means that they had it 2 out of 2 times, "1-3" indicates they had it 1 time and bluffed twice. I like to have a sense on who is capable of pat bluffing and who probably isn't.
I'll keep similar notes when people bluff with a pair/worse in either single draw or triple draw lowball, for the same reason.
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01-20-2011, 12:14 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Norwegian donkey
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
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Originally Posted by Tom Bayes
Something I like to track in draw high is stats on when they pat and showdown. Something like "2-2" means that they had it 2 out of 2 times, "1-3" indicates they had it 1 time and bluffed twice. I like to have a sense on who is capable of pat bluffing and who probably isn't.
I'll keep similar notes when people bluff with a pair/worse in either single draw or triple draw lowball, for the same reason.
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Actually, I think you dont need a statistic for this at all. If you see it once you know the player is capable. Its better to make a note of the situation if you want to differanciate. What is much more interesting to keep a sort of a statistic on is how often a player drawing 1 after 3-betting(or even 4-betting) have a draw. I have not made notes on statistics here but its something I feel like I should do sometimes(but I never bother). I have so much experience with certain types of players I only need 1-2 showdowns to know how they play and probably how to exploit them also. I make much less notes now in draw high then I used to when I mostly played fixed limit.
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01-27-2011, 05:32 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Re: Let's talk draw poker notes
So I finally got to the point in my 2-7 education to start thinking about organizing and standardizing my note taking. But the more I thought about it the more complicated it got, I came up with short hand for all these situations/actions, then realized how complicated situations could be, and added more, etc.
Then I took a step back and asked myself, what would I actually use while making playing decisions. I'm not sure of everything, but right now I'm thinking I should track only actionable data that I can use to tweak my lines vs. specific villains. This is what I've come up with so far, any comments on how useful they are, which is most useful, and other specific common spots to note would be great.
1) River value betting ranges headsup and 3 way.
2) River bluff catching ranges, headsup only, vs. pat or when both take 1.
3) River bluff ranges, i.e. how low will they bluff, a Queen, or a Jack? This one seems a little less clear-cut, but I'm hoping it should give me an rough idea when combined with #1 of their bluffs to bets ratio.
4) Whether they bet or raise out of position unimproved.
5) Whather they bet or raise in position unimproved.
6) Whether I catch them snowing and the pattern (2-1-Pat, etc)
7) Turn Pat range, both headsup and three way.
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