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Old 06-05-2012, 05:48 PM   #1
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KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

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Interested in reactions to these including any plans for what our actions might induce. Please feel free to skip over any you consider too insipid for a response.

Early stages of a tournament with even stacks. No information on opponents unless otherwise noted.

1)UTG raises, you're UTG+2 with Q9852. You?

2)UTG raises, you're next to act with A8532. You?

3)UTG raises, you're BTN with A8532. The big blind appears to have squeezed three times already in the early going. You?

4)CO raises, you're BB with Q9852. You?

5)CO raises, you're SB with Q9852. You?

6)A passive UTG raises an active BTN 3-bets. You're BB with A8532. You?

7)An active UTG raises and a passive BTN 3-bets. You're SB with J8642. You?
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:55 PM   #2
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

1. call or fold
2. call readless, maybe 3bet
3. prob call
4. call
5. i call, 3bet if he folds way too much (unlikely)
6. call
7. call if 40-50bbs+ depending on betsize.

these are very generic and you will almost always have some idea of villains playing style etc.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:12 AM   #3
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

Im with Journeyman except depending on stacksize I might shove number 6.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:09 AM   #4
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

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Im with Journeyman except depending on stacksize I might shove number 6.
#3 - What do we do if the BB once again raises the flat?

#6 - would you consider trying to shoot-through the UTG opener here?

#7 - Seems like a decent spot to squeeze and try to get HU. Obv if we're playing 3-handed we're breaking and going for a monster. I suppose against a loose player that may be higher EV than chopping around for a small pot with a slight lead anyway.
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Old 06-06-2012, 11:21 AM   #5
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

#3 call again, we do very well against a loose squeezers range imo.

#6 he said he would consider it i dont really like it as a passive UTG should be pretty tight there

#7 its really not a great spot. if we 4bet and get flatted, patting is still a poor plan as we will be dead alot and we only have ~50-55% when he does draw. a good rule of thumb (imo) is to not pat J's that have good draws, especially OOP. 8642 is a very good draw.
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Old 06-06-2012, 06:07 PM   #6
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

Thanks much guys. I think on the whole I'm overvaluing some hands.
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Old 06-06-2012, 10:32 PM   #7
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

Just to clarify, are we playing single draw or triple draw here?
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:03 AM   #8
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

Single draw to shizzle. These are no-brainers is TDL
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Old 06-07-2012, 11:05 AM   #9
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Single draw to shizzle. These are no-brainers is TDL
KCL not really played online but it stands for Kansas City Lowball. Its 2-7 single draw no limit but the reason KCL is not played online is because KCL specifically leaves you with 2 optins predraw. You either raise or fold, no limping.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:26 PM   #10
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Re: KCL - Some pre-draw decisions

All my answers assume relatively equal stack sizes for the players and all players are relatively deep-stacked

1) Fold - It will be hard to get value from a xxx89 after the flop. If you both hit it could prove costly. Also with so many players to act behind you might get squeezed out of the pot
2) Call - The big difference between this and #1 is how strong your draw is
3) Call - I don't like the raise because UTG might have us in terrible shape. If the BB is apt to squeeze and you have reason to believe he is doing it light you can reevaluate when the action gets back to you
4) Call - I'm calling assuming the raise was in the 3x range because getting great odds.
5) Call or Fold - This is really close. It all depends on your read on the CO player. If you have reason to believe he is raising light then lean towards a call. If he/she is a tight player then lean towards a fold.
6) Fold - Its just too likely that UTG is going to put in a 4th bet. Be very afraid when passive players raise UTG
7) Call, Raise or Fold - Of all the situations I think this is the most dependent on the table dynamics. Is UTG very light here so maybe BTN is making a resteal light? What is your table image? How will they interpret a small 4 bet? If you flat here how likely is UTG to put in the 4th bet light?

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