Here is an interesting hand. What would you do?

Only had been at the table for 1 to 2 orbits.

I forget after my Hiatus, is the draw to an 8 or 7 more valuable?

Mostly I am just concerned with the first hand, unless I should be playing position 96 smooth differently hu from the second hand.

Dont have a cow, heres your converted hand
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 6 players

UTG: $6.58
UTG+1: $3.80
CO: $3.59
Button: $0.85
SB: $14.41 (Hero)
BB: $1.60

Dealing Hands: ($0.15) (6 players)
3 folds, Button raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.30, BB folds, Button raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.10

First Draw: ($0.90) (2 players)
Hero stands, Button discards 1,

Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.10

Second Draw: ($1.10) (2 players)
Hero stands, Button discards 1,

Hero bets $0.20, Button calls $0.20

Third Draw: ($1.50) (2 players)
Hero stands, Button discards 1,

Hero bets $0.20, Button folds

Hero collected $1.43

(Rake: $0.07)


Second time around, this is how I played it. Same table 3-4 orbits in, different villain.

Feral Cow Poker
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $0.10/$0.20 - 4 players

SB: $5.86
BB: $6.00
UTG: $4.61
Button: $14.56 (Hero)

Dealing Hands: ($0.15) (4 players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.20, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

First Draw: ($0.45) (2 players)
BB discards 2, Hero stands,

BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10

Second Draw: ($0.65) (2 players)
BB discards 1, Hero stands,

BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Third Draw: ($1.05) (2 players)
BB discards 1, Hero stands,

BB checks, Hero checks

BB showed , Lo: 7,6,5,4,2
Hero mucked
BB won $1
(Rake: $0.05)


Thanks.

By no means a 2-7 TD so take my comments with a pinch of salt

On the first draw, OOP against Villain capping pre-draw, I think we should be drawing as our 9 I believe isn't favourite over someone drawing 1 three times. Could be wrong on that one. Also, making an assumption here that a player at 0.10/0.20 isn't capping three-to-a-wheel pre-draw, which could also be wrong. Just in my experience of lower stakes games that it's usually a made hand or 1-card draw.

As played, I don't think the bet after the 3rd draw is advisable. First consideration in Poker, I don't see anything worse calling, or anything better folding. Check/call here imo.

Second hand seems fine.

Read, thanks. I agree.

re: first hand.

Sometimes, in an oop position like this I will not waiver from my initial decision when rasing, if 1) player is inexperienced, 2) the 4 bet is just a continuation click happpy type bet. I rather to pat and often they will take two, even thowing 8's.

My 9 lo is good against these I feel in a lot of situation, I am ahead and make them pay to draw. Again, if I got bets in at the worst oTR I can break.

Vs tags and strong players I'd draw 70%+ depending on tempo of their play (ie. if they are getting tilty), and report at the table I have for other 30%. Pat OTR any 7 or 8, and depending on how things play out up until the river with villain, OTR pat some oop rag X draws if he will break a jx pat , 9 roughs and and some 876 rough for example. Not often will I pat trashy hands, since a 1/1 draw is much often better with my 64 lo and a 1/pat isn't to bad for me, folding 9's+. 86smooth is a decent look up in .10/.20 stake imo.

If I improve or not after preflop action, I can see flop bet x/c and redraw.

At this limit (or vs aggressive fish a limit or two up usually with report at table with me having a solid pat range, i'd mix it in).

This isn't trying to justify a bad play, just offering an explaiination with more information.

Yes, thanks for opinion and 9 pat oop is hard to play and hold up after 3 draws for sure.

I agree with your post a lot.

This sounds really over complicated. Maybe KISS and more tag, sound better to get me back to my A game. Still, this description is very close to my play at this low stake in the past when I was doing better.

With the 4 other bullets between 2-6 I would pat/break the nine vs a 1card-draw depending on villains tendencies. I made a thread about having 23456 type of hands and how it should be drawn to that I have still no idea but for fact that breaking the 9 gives less than 50% of improvement so its a lot of guessing game. In the first hand you posted I would check river and hope to gain some future implied odds with that showdown.

@doylebrunson1337

Your first part of the comment is for the OOP or IP hand?

DO you know how long ago in your post history or the title of the post you are meaning? (I will have a look for it.)

Also, in the first hand I am not scared to break it OTT, but good point made there. Agree, it is a gut feeling thing of course. Same as if I pitch or keep OP 96 smooth pre.

Sometimes you get it wrong, but at the lower stakes having a reason is more easily distiguiable including players being really bad and those players folding a lot to pats (but not lately lol). I'll check your post out.

Some of the quoted text isn't clearly understood by myself.

What 4 bullets between 2 and 6?

"...I have still no idea but for fact that breaking the 9 gives less than 50% of improvement so its a lot of guessing game. "

Not really sure about this comment at all, or if it relates to equity or why 50% to improve is bad. Please explain more.

Thanks for the post.

I meant the first hand, in the second its a good pat since villain is drawing 2. by 2-6 bullets I mean all five cards being between 2-6 making your hand block other draws by one card. Breaking a 9 gives you about 48% chance of hitting a 9, 8 or a 7 thats what I am thinking about being a dog breaking it making a 2-9 hand hard to play vs a 1 card draw and btw; excuse my bad english . To make it simple, in first hand its good to break the nine OOP or patting it but being able to break it if villain hits and not donkpatting against a raise, and maybe skipping the v-bet on river (nothing worse will call you there and if villain hits he is gonna raise) and in the second its a fistpump-pat.

Hey Doyle,

Thanks you for the clarity provided. I like your line more vs some villain type at micro stakes. Am I always breaking the 9 v's a raise knowing lag-position raise on draws are often likely even with 2card draws and 1 card draws at the .10/.20 stake? Obviously, villain dependant I will absolutely want to throw vs more tag nitty players, those who play tigher (rather than looser) in position/OTB.

96s are tough. I think no matter what you do in hand 1, you are behind a capping range (many at $.10/$.20 only cap premium 1-card draws and pat hands). I prefer breaking because I would rather the first draw goes 1-1/check-check than have to keep building a big pot with a weak hand. If you pat it pre and get raised on the turn, what do you do getting 8.5 to 1?

I like the way you think. But how would you play a pat 96 smooth vs villain that draws 2 cards on first?

It would depend on their tendencies but usually I'd pat.