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| Draw and Other Poker Discussion of poker games not covered elsewhere (e.g. badugi, draw, triple-draw, pineapple) |
07-06-2012, 12:44 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
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Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
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Action started with a player in early position raising it to 1,000. Jennifer Harman was next to act, and she made it 2,100 to go. It folded back to the original raiser, and he put out a four-bet to 4,500. Harman called, and both players stood pat. Harman's opponent put out a small bet of 2,000, and Harman thought for about 15 seconds before raising it to 7,500. Her opponent tanked for about 45 seconds before tossing in the call.
Harman said "you probably got me" and showed 98632 She was right, as she was shown 86543 for an eight low. After that hand, Harman is down to just 6,650.
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Now I don't play lowball at all, but I was a little intrigued by this hand. Clearly Jennifer was playing her hand for value before the draw, did she determine at some point that her opponent had a better 9 or a rough 8 and decide to turn her hand into a bluff?
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07-06-2012, 03:37 AM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,285
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
at that point the raise is a bluff that can potentially be called by worse. the more standard play would be call there.
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07-06-2012, 04:46 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 24,925
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
Yeh, seems like she was turning her hand into a bluff.
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07-06-2012, 07:21 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 543
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
Yes I was reading the coverage and found this hand interesting.
IMO Harman is overplaying her hand. 98632 should be folded to a 4bet, or at least broken to draw to a better hand. A 4bet before the draw is allways a made 7 or 8.
As played she should've just called after the draw, opponent has shown much strength I don't think he's ever folding to a raise.
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07-06-2012, 07:26 AM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2010
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
thats so level 1 thinking man.
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07-06-2012, 08:02 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Turning 2ndnuts into a bluff
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
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Originally Posted by Svizac
Yes I was reading the coverage and found this hand interesting.
IMO Harman is overplaying her hand. 98632 should be folded to a 4bet, or at least broken to draw to a better hand. A 4bet before the draw is allways a made 7 or 8.
As played she should've just called after the draw
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07-06-2012, 08:04 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Norwegian donkey
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
98632 is hard to play here. Post Im almost certain she is bluffing. A better line is probably just to call post, not many better hands fold in this game(if any). Cant see breaking this unless a superstrong read.
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07-06-2012, 10:01 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
So would it be standard for Jen to flat the 4-bet in position with her entire range to disguise? Otherwise I don't see how she can represent a huge hand in this spot.
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07-06-2012, 10:17 AM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,285
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
she wouldnt have to flat her entire range, just a balanced one. definitely a good idea to have some strong hands in your range though.
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07-06-2012, 10:28 PM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Union Games
Posts: 2,250
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
Raising seems really bad here, but I certainly doubt I know anything that Jen Harman doesn't.
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07-06-2012, 11:52 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,260
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
As played, I would just call this post w/o a read. Very little value in a postdraw raise here.
I don't think I could break this to the 4bet/pat though. There is a small chance this could be a hand worse than 98632.
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07-07-2012, 02:33 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Probably a feel based game flow decision. Her opponent could have been non-traditional or they could have prior history. Irregardless, Jen could have the top of her range as played.
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07-07-2012, 02:51 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
Opponent makes it 20% pot, which is a little weird. Maybe this provoked her raise. Not sure I like her bluff. Doubt opponent is ever snowing here.
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07-07-2012, 02:57 AM
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veteran
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Union Games
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
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Originally Posted by freeetreees
Probably a feel based game flow decision. Her opponent could have been non-traditional or they could have prior history. Irregardless, Jen could have the top of her range as played.
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Leading out for value and folding is sooooo bad though
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Originally Posted by betgo
Opponent makes it 20% pot, which is a little weird. Maybe this provoked her raise. Not sure I like her bluff. Doubt opponent is ever snowing here.
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That's the thing, I don't see how a raise is ever right. If villain is bluffing no need to push him off it, if he's not then he's probably never folding and we don't want to punt more of our stack than necessary. There must have been a very situation-specific reason for this raise. I think part of Jen's range is wanting to go big or home for sure. Maybe some kind of super thin value move on somebody who's been calling light a lot. Although her comment afterwards sounds like it was a bluff, but how many hands can really fold here when she flats pre-draw?
Last edited by 2J4U; 07-07-2012 at 03:02 AM.
Reason: Puzzling. Hand is too strong to turn into a bluff.
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07-07-2012, 08:58 AM
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old hand
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 1,285
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Re: Hand from 2-7 NL WSOP event report
she's targeting "thin" vbets with better 98's, 97's and 96's. she's repping #10+ and maybe tighter. its not orthodox, and its probably not the GTO hand to use to bluff, but at the same time, GTO isnt so important in a tournament she plays once a year (twice incl. the 1500) which may get over 1k hands with a super deep run.
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