FAQ version 2.3. - Buzz 3-3-08

Welcome to the "Other Poker" forum. This FAQ and guidelines is a revision of the original written by Tapirboy, revised by Tom Bayes, and again revised by Buzz and Phat Mack.

Note there are special forums for
• Omaha-hi/low split (Omaha-8 forum),
• Omaha-high-only (Omaha-high forum),
• Razz (stud forum),
• Stud-8 (stud forum),
• Stud (stud forum),
• Texas hold 'em (various forums), and
• Wild card games (Home Games forum).

This forum is a catch all forum for various other poker games.

Games specifically covered on this forum include:

• Badugi,
• Chinese Poker,
• Chowaha,
• Crazy Pineapple,
• Draw: 5 card draw, high only
• Draw: 5 card draw, high, A-7 (reduced deck)
• Lowball draw: A-5, single draw,
• Lowball draw: A-5, triple draw,
• Lowball draw: 2-7, single draw,
• Lowball draw: 2-7, triple draw,
• Pineapple,
• Watermelon, and
• any other poker game that isn't better discussed on another forum.

If you're not sure if you should post here or somewhere else, go ahead and post here and we'll move the discussion to another 2+2 forum if it doesn't belong here.

Games covered elsewhere:

• Discussions of non-casino variants such as Baseball and Follow the Queen belong in Home Poker.
• Wild card game discussions are found in Home Poker.
• Omaha high is discussed in the Omaha-high forum. Omaha High forum.
• Omaha-8 (high/low split Omaha) is discussed in the Omaha -8 forum.
• Razz is discussed in the stud forum. stud forum.

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Posting suggestions:

The main thing is please be courteous to other posters on this forum. We're all here to have a little fun while discussing some non-main-stream variation of poker.

Most hand posts on this forum are done with raw hand histories. Euri10 made a converter for UB triple draw histories that can be found here. Greenage made a convert for PokerStars triple draw histories that can be found here. We appreciate their hard work and encourage the use of converters when posting triple draw hand histories. If anyone wants to work on a converter for other games, your work will be much appreciated. UB hand histories may be captured via GameTime+.

Please do not provide URLs to off-site locations. Please post hands and hand histories directly into posts on this forum rather than providing URLs to other sites.

Videos

Some existing videos of DeathDonkey and *TT* playing 2-7 triple draw can be found here.

Frequently Asked Questions

Q. All these games are very confusing. Where can I read the rules?

Unfortunately the rules may differ from one locality to another.

Some games have more or less standard rules from one place to another, but it's generally best to find the rules for each particular location the game is spread.

Q. Where can I find on-line descriptions of some of these games?

• Doyle’s Room: Badugi
• PokerRoom: Chinese Poker
• Stars: badugi, 2-7 Triple Draw
• Simba: https://www.simbapoker.com/
• 24hPoker: Sökö,Telesina,Americana
• Wikipedia. Type the name of the game in the search box for Google, perhaps also with the word poker. For example to find out about Crazy Pineapple, type
"crazy pineapple poker" (without the quotes) in the google search box. Then look down the list, probably just a few entries, to find the free Wikipedia reference.

Q. Where can I play these games on-line?

There are many online rooms, both major and minor, that spread “Other Poker” games. Following is a list. If you know of another on-line site currently offering any of these games, please notify us by posting directly on this forum.

• B2B Network:
Pot Limit Draw cash games, SNGs, and MTTs
2-7 Triple Draw cash games & MTTs
PL Sökö cash games & tournaments
PL Telesina and Americana cash games

• carbonpoker:
www.carbonpoker.com:
badugi and other games

• Full Tilt:
HORSE cash games, SNGs, MTTs
HOSE cash games
HA (half PLHE/half PLO) cash games

• Ongame Network:
Limit and PL Draw High cash games
Pot Limit Draw High SNGs and MTTs

• Paradise Poker:
Limit Draw High cash games

• Planet Poker:
Limit Draw High cash games, SNGs, and MTTs
Pot Limit Draw High cash games
$pike reports Planet Poker shut down its cash games about 10 months ago (because of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act) and has replaced them with a play-chip/subscription concept.

• Poker.com:
Rumored to be adding several "other games" including Draw High, Triple Draw, and Badugi.

• PokerStars:
2-7 Triple Draw cash games (Limit, PL, NL) and MTTs (Limit)
Draw High cash games (Limit, PL, NL) and MTTs (PL)
HORSE cash games, SNGs, MTTs
HOSE cash games and SNGs.
Badugi.

• Simba:
Chinese Poker

• Tiger
Big 2, Chinese Poker, 3-card guts.
Play money only for Americans, since UIGEA.

• Tribeca Network:
Limit and Half-Pot Limit Badugi cash games

Q. Can I get rakeback or signup deals for those sites?

Usually. Ask each site directly.

Q. Where can I play these games live?

We'd generally like to know that, too. In particular, please make a thread if you play a mixed game in a casino for low to medium stakes.

Q. What books are there for these games?

See the 2+2 books and publications forum for information about books discussing these games.

Q. What web resources are there for these games?

• Type the name of the game in the search box for Google, perhaps also with the word poker. For example to find out about Crazy Pineapple, type
"crazy pineapple poker" (without the quotes) in the google search box. Then look down the list, probably just a few entries, to find the free Wikipedia reference, or some other reference.

• A-7 draw:
a discussion thread in this forum
here

• Badugi:
A simulator by RubbishCards here. RubbishCards notes some people have reported compatibility problems.
An article in wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badugi#Strategy
An article by Chris Fargis
An article by DeathDonkey
Badugi Hand converter:
http://lowballgurus.com/stars-hand-c...er-badugi.html
Explanation for Badugi Hand converter:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...4/#post7884590
http://www.badugiplayer.com has an odds chart and some strategy

• Big 2:
A description put together by John McLeod:
Big 2

• Chinese Poker:
Don Smolen's Chinese Poker Site
Chinese Poker at the Bike:
http://www.thebike.com/casino_games/...oker/index.php

•Crazy pineapple
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...razy+pineapple

• Simba:
https://www.simbapoker.com/

• Chowaha:
Wolf's Chowaha page.

• Crazy Pineapple:
Crazy Pineapple for Advanced Players by Jerrod Ankenman

• Draw High:
An article by Micheal Wiesenberg.
More Wiesenberg articles at Cardplayer.com about draw and A-5 lowball.
Mike Caro's site for statistics on draw:
http://www.poker1.com/mcu/mculib_odds.asp
A post by bigpooch regarding opening ranges
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...d-draw-269056/
(post #11 in the thread)

• Lowball:
Lowballgurus
LowballWiki.

• Triple Draw Lowball:
Hand converter for 2-7-tripledraw:
http://sastrongsauce.googlepages.com/Converter.html

Starting hands:
http://wiki.lowballgurus.com/article...Starting_Hands
An article by Howard Lederer
Another article by Howard Lederer
An article by Michael Wiesenberg
Lowballgurus
LowballWiki.
An article by Chris Fargis
An article by DeathDonkey
Another article by DeathDonkey
A free simulation site:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4619324
A post by Mark Gritter regarding hand odds for triple draw:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=219757
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Suggestions regarding this FAQ would be deeply appreciated. Please send them as a private message to Buzz, a moderator of this forum.