Was playing it 2 nights back with my mates and we played it with 3 draws. We usually play it burn, flop, burn, draw, bet, burn, turn

I started with 2 pair and didn't improve and ended up really overvaluing my hand adn getting into a huge hand

What sort of hand values do you need across 3 draws to win the Draw side?

You only mention "bet" once. Yet surely there is more than one betting round. How many betting rounds are there, and when do they occur?

You burn after the flop and then immediately draw? And then you get two more burns?

Do you pay for burns or are they free?

Again you only mention "bet" once. How many betting rounds are there, and when does each occur?

If you draw one card three times, trying to hit one of your pairs, mathematically that's the same as drawing three cards all at once. You'll improve to a full house about one time in four.

• P=1-C(43,3)/C(47,3)=1-12341/16215=~0.24

I doubt you can do that in your head during a game.

But you can approximate. You see 5 cards and 47 are missing. Only four of them will be useful to you. After the shuffle and cut, each of those 47 cards (including the four that are useful to you) is in a particular position.

You're going to be dealt three of those cards (but one at a time). How many groups of three cards are found in 47 cards? (Almost 16 is the answer). And at most four of those 16 groups of three cards contain one of the cards that will be useful to you. Finally 4/16 = 1/4 or about one in four.

And that approximation, about one in four is close enough to the actual probability of ~0.24 for our purposes.

With two pairs, you pay to draw three times, figuring that you'll miss three times out of four and if you miss, you'll mostly fold. But if you make your draw, you'll bet and you'll have to be able to collect when you bet after you make your full house/quads.

You're going to make your draw about one time in four. That's pretty often. So it's more to your advantage to get called when you make your draw than have your opponents "keep you honest" when you don't. In other words, bluff early and until you get caught. And then totally lay off the bluffing.

(If it were a game where you didn't make your hand much, you'd do it the opposite way, establish a reputation for having the goods, and then, once having established that reputation, steal them blind). First impressions matter the most.
Triple draw high?

I've never played triple draw high. Off the top of my head, my first consideration would be to avoid drawing to make a hand that would lose even if I made my draw. In other words, I'd want to avoid ending up with a second best hand.

So for starters, until I got a better feel for what kinds of hands my opponents were drawing to, what won at showdown, and the propensity of my opponents to bluff, I'd be drawing to make good full houses/quads.

Just my opinion without ever having played "Swedish."

Buzz

Drawmaha at the WSOP Rio cash games was played with just one draw. So there things like just AAxxx become reasonably strong hands.

Off the top of my head, I would say a straight as a minimum. The problem with two pair hands is that you are drawing to a full house, and if you hit the flop, that means some of your draw outs are gone.

Since this is the most recent thread on the subject, I'll bump this.

I'm very new to 5CD (Need to read over basic relevant beginner material including SS2 chapter), but have played a reasonable amount of PLO5.

There are three relevant things I wanted to ask before delving into a bit of reading:
1) The average winning hand at showdown for the 5CD portion was ~TT/JJ. This is a single draw game, so it appears people aren't really playing for that half at all. (One was won with A high.) I assume this allows me to play any sort of small 2 pair/high pair/etc and see a decent amount of showdowns.
2) The game plays reasonably large with many people seeing showdowns, but lots of family pots. I would guess this lends itself to 3 card drawing hands? I'm not really sure how I should expand my hand range in the CO/BN.
3) When you draw a single card, you receive one card faceup which you can take or discard, if you discard you receive another card facedown. I assume I draw 1 virtually all the time except when indulging myself in very speculative holdings? I really have no idea how this wrinkle should alter strategy.

Thanks.

Most commonly we play it differently to how it's been spread in the rare times it has been in live tournaments.

In the standard game there is 1 draw in which you may change any number of cards up to 5 and this draw occurs after the 2nd round of betting, the flop betting. If you draw 1, there is a special rule called "One Open" in which the new card is dealt face up to you, and you have the option of refusing that card for another, face down, card. The beginning and the rest of the hand plays exactly the same as 5 Card Omaha. The showdown involves the awarding of two pots, one for the best PLO hand (2 and 3 rule applies), one for the best 5 card poker hand in a player's hole cards.

In the way we play it, and I think it's better, we burn and go to the flop after the preflop betting and immediately draw, without burning for the draw. Plus there's no One Open rule.

But as I mentioned, you can play it with 3 draws, which gets pretty crazy and reshuffles abound.

High flush draws have a lot of value as there is a good balance between the strength of the hand versus how often you make it. Full houses are hard to hit.

Aces are not a bad hand headsup even in triple draw high. Only an underdog to trips or made hands

I have a four issue series starting next month in Two Plus Two Magazine on Archie. Since that is half triple draw high some of the concepts might be useful for drawmaha too

In Vegas low limit mix games Drawmaha is dealt 6 handed with 1 draw round just before the turn. It is dealt 6 handed and the draw is capped at 3 cards to prevent the possibility of running out of cards.

Variants of the game with lowball (or other) games played for the 5cd draw half are pretty fun too. My favorite is 2-7 drawmaha.


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Sorry, a bit off topic: Where do they play Drawmaha in Vegas and what other mixed games can one find? Is there something similar to Dealer's Choice at casinos, or at least a number of different preset game played at the same table?

I was thinking about changing our game to include a qualifier for the draw side.

In this variant the qualifier would be a single pair of jacks or better, meaning if there is no jacks or better on the draw side at showdown, the PLO hand takes the whole pot.

This hopefully should loosen the game up a bit more by enticing people just to play for the PLO half of the pot, make calls on the hope that other players do not have jacks or better, and should also reduce the amount of split pots. On the other hand, it might make people play less starting hands because they don't contain jacks or better.

As the game currently stands, the pot is split way often than not at showdown, and is often focussed around keeping the pot multiway and making money off of "the third man". Sometimes the players get frustrated with the time it takes to play hands and with the lack of significant profits because of all the pot splitting.

Will report on findings!

It's in the rotation of the $6-12 Mixed Game at Caesars Palace although it sometimes gets frowned upon by some of the players regardless if its Drawmaha, 2-7 Drawmaha, or Badugi-Drawmaha.

And of course it's played in some of the home games (there's even a $10-20 straight Drawmaha rotation game).