Fairly unsure about this spot since it doesn't come up much. What's your cutoff for breaking pre vs patting. In position I'm obviously going to pat more but oop always tough when hand is tempting to break.

UTG straddles, lots of people shovel money in (at least 1 has a real hand) and I 4 bet the sb.... end up 5 ways for 4 bets.

Do we ever break 23578.... 23678....certainly breaking 87652 but that could be wrong as well.

I always break pat 8s in Ace to Five.

In Deuce don't even try to pull any 8 out of my cold dead fingers.

Edit: Poor reading comprehension.

I'd break any 8 with outs to improve. The problem is lots of the key cards are going to be in someone's hand.

I'd rather pat and make somebody else make that mistake. 5-ways, there's a lot of card removal and nobody ends up making a hand a lot.

I definitely wouldn't want to break a hand that doesn't have 23 in it because there probably aren't any of those left.

Though I'm one of the last to break an 8 (or even a 24569 in position hu to the flop once Ive seen villain draw 3) right off the bat and usually try to manipulate the betting so I can KO at least some of the villains w equity, a live game where nobody is folding and multiple players are probably drawing 2 on the end in a bloated pot, I'm prob breaking all those pre.

OL huhu we can even vbet the 87532 on the river against many opponent. But in these big MW pots I'd like to make a hand that I feel comfortable putting in a lot of action with, or feel comfortable folding if I'm not getting the right price at some point on the big streets cuz its 3 cold to me and I'm drawing to 4 outs at most, or cuz I brick the last draw.

Then again, breaking the winner only to see a 98643 take down a 17 bet pot might be enough to reconsider lol.

But I agree, this spot hardly comes up (though the concept of breaking vs. holding vs. folding w marginal pat hands certainly does), but I'm breaking all those hands unless I have reason to believe I can get it 3 handed by the turn.

break cuz u also get implied odds if u hit a 7. But I have never been in a 5-way with a pat nr10 but 4way I have been in and it is best to break then. Even in threeways depending on opponents I break.

edit: But if u have a pat 87 with a 3 in it I think u can break it in a 5way, hands like 87524 is a different story since in 5ways it is rare that villain or couple of villains plays hands like 4576. But the implied odds in a 5way still makes me wanna break 87s no matter what lowcards it has (imagine u catch a 7 and one of the villains is raising with crap and others calling u can win like 50bb).

I suck at 2-7.

If you're gonna break then why 4 bet predraw? Seems inconsistent to me.

All 1card or pat-hands should be capped pre-draw according to Daniel Negreanu and I share the same opinion as him cuz by cold calling 3bets with 1card draws to the wheel makes u miss bets when u get the winner and if you cold call 3bets to 1card to rough 8s u can be exploited easily. Triple Draw is a game played with automatic transmission to disguise your range.

Ok but this spot seems different because of the straddle.

ops my bad. U are maybe right since this hand is not played in pokerstars. In pokerstars there is a 4bet cap every street in fixed limit. I have no idea how 1card draws should play pre-draw outside of pokerstars, but with so many players in the pot it feels like HERO has over 20% equity pre-draw so spazzing to the max (even after the first draw and then slow down after second draw) as long as every one is calling seems nice. (if there is no cap will HERO 25bet a 1card draw pre-draw?) (Well in a Swedish site I once 25bet AQoff and won but that was another game)

btw there is 28 cards remaining in the deck pre-draw and when 4 players draw its going to be less than 20 cards on third draw making every out worth 5% or more so if all 4 villains have 4 outs or more then 87 aint gonna have enough equity counted together with the first & second draw adding it up together with the third draw. Break here is best on first draw cuz when 4 players play someone gets a smooth 8 or better (implied implied implied, imagine the spazznezz when one of the four catches). Worst case scenario when u break its losing 3 or 4 big bets usually and nothing more than that.

We still have equity edge if we draw one.