Hi,

I would like to know what is your advice about a bankroll management to play cash game mixed games ?

Same rules like NLHM ?

Thanks

after a quick research on Internet, it seems 500 big bet is good !

I've heard as little as 300 big bets for limit games but depends what game you're playing, how high variance it is, etc. You'll need a bigger BR if you're playing mixed games that include non-limit games (i.e. 8game) especially if there's no cap.

Keep in mind BR management advice is always dependent on your life situation and what risk of ruin you're willing to tolerate. Are you a pro who needs to pay a mortgage and feed the kids? Or are you just playing for fun? Suggested BRM will vary greatly.

ok thanks, I'm just a fish who try to learn the game and build a little BR !
and yes it's 8 games with NL games.

Depends. Will you win?

The player pool is very small, and the cost to learn is high though. I would lean towards more than less. It's just impossible to learn and be proficient at games like Badugi splits, triple draws, Stud hi-lo no qualify, etc, on a small bankroll. 20-40 is nearly always the lowest you can find and often its 50-100 or more. I will buy into my 50-100 game for 3k and have no concerns if I am down 2500. The games are often short handed, so more action is required.

The good side is usually the players are great at teaching you the games and helping you learn more. Generally being inviting and friendly (at least where I play).

So with all that said.... If I was just starting and had confidence in my ability to learn quickly and adapt, 30k would be plenty. 3k at ten buy-ins. However, now that I have played a considerable amount, if I lost 30k, I would know I suck.

K

Well crap. My last post doesn't matter. 8 game is different than a true, players choice, mix with heavy badugi splits and triple draw.

In 8 game, you gotta suffer through the complete boredom of Stud hi and Razz.

losing 30k at 50/100 limit, although definitely not something to ignore, is only 300BB and doesn't mean you are necessarily a losing player.

depending on limits and toughness of players 500 can be a little low

For example 30,000 for a 30/60 limit hold em roll seems a bit risky, but should be enough for 20/40

Especially if the player is relying on poker for income


With lots of split-pot games included BR requirements can be lowered

Not sure if anybody read the post, but OP is looking to build a BR and describes himself as fish (which prob isn't actually the case, but at least it indicates that he is not experienced enough to know the approx. amount he needs). We can also infer he's playing on Stars 8-game, where PLO, 2-7, and stud hi will play the biggest, but esp PLO.

I'd say 200 limit big bets is fine to try and build up from low stakes. Otherwise, adhering to professional brm or Kelly advice is going to lock him into a raketrap stake that is almost unbeatable (maybe below 1/2 fl and .25/.50 big bet).

I'd also recommend shot-taking aggressively so you aren't stuck in the raketrap stakes, where it's virtually impossible to slowly grind your way up in 2017 online poker, as long as the loss of the BR doesn't hurt you significantly. If you are big bet pro looking to switch to hs mix, then 500-1k big bets might be needed, esp as you have a steep learning curve ahead of you. But if you are a young person living at home/student/no huge regular bills/etc then you don't need more than 200 if you are beating the games.

Hardest part of building a roll online these days is that competition is tough, rake is high(er), and rewards are sometimes non-existent, so that's why aggressive-shot taking is important if you are trying to "live the dream" someday. gl

Play at lowest stakes to learn the games and build some experience. Then listen to Macau and play decently high as soon as reasonably possible. 2/4 is a small game but prob big enough to be beatable after rake. Unfortunately with mix you are going to run into the fact that it can often be dead and there can be big jumps in stakes as you go higher.

Hi,

thanks for all your answers.

I don't play on stars because I'm in France and Stars doesn't provide 8 games in real money in this country. I play on Winamax (8 games -> NL, PLO, LO8, LH, 2-7, Razz, Stud, Stud8)

The players pool is small, 8 games are open since nov 2016 on Winamax. But there is action on all stackes but just 1 or 2 tables are full.

I bought the mixed games book by Ken Lo to know starting hands, rules et basic strategies (when to bet and so on).

I made some 8 games MTT (100 players, buy in 2e) to learn the game, I finished 4/5 times in the top 5. The level is not high of course (the price pool either lol).

I have a regular job.

If the BR rules is 500 big bet I can play 0.25/0.5 with the goal to up to 0.5/1.
I could put more money to my BR but I prefer to start in low stackes and build my BR instead of give my money at middle stackes to players more skilled.

If you have any advices or comments, I will read it with interest.

Thanks

To reiterate what others said, playing such low stakes and also just being a recreational player (not a pro), you probably don't need more than 300 big bets and take ample shots up the stakes. Down to 200 big bets is getting a bit risky with the big bet games, especially if they're uncapped (I think that's how it is on Winamax).

ok thank you