Played this the other day, 3 players walked on the stud round leaving us 3 handed. None of us wanted to play 3-handed stud so we rolled it to the next game badeucy instead and played that 3 handed for a bit. 2 of the walkers came back and were livid to see the missed blind buttons in front of them. They called the floor over crying about not getting free hands and we have no right to skip a game blah blah blah....floor ruled in our favor, pretty hilarious sense of entitlement on their part to even complain after walking and leaving us 3 handed like that.

if I go back I'm never tipping the floor again. It's ridiculous they don't have a card swipe system, and force you to stand in front of the high stakes podium until they finally deign to make eye contact, only to tell you they don't handle that list. And when you finally get on a list, the only way you can clearly hear yourself being called is to stand in the middle of the room, in the way of the cocktail waitresses and annoying other players. I missed my call sitting 5 feet outside the railing, and when I found out the floor says "that's your fault" before I even opened my mouth.

My buddy says, why didn't you have them text you, they do it for me. After hundreds of dollars in tips, not a single floor had ever suggested it was even possible.

I think the tippers are helping perpetuate a ****ty system, and that the floors have blocked any kind of automated list signups just to maximize their own income. It's the dumbest thing, because a simple card swipe kiosk where you can enter your phone number and check lists would make players massively happier and free the floors to do more important things, ie running chips, taking food orders, actually observing games and making rulings.

Stop tipping the floors, get your own chips, etc.

Hero Value, I'm sorry I complained about Limit Hold'em the other night before we started that one game! lol I will never complain about another game again...

For the most I agree with your post. But actually a lot of the whining regs were pretty bad though IIRC

The only games I normally try and vote out are Limit Hold'em and Super Stud8. I'm ok with Super Razzdugi. I'd rather play and work on the real Stud8. You get a lot of push back on the Limit Hold'em because a lot of people got into the mix games because they didn't like hold'em.

Overs buttons can really screw up a game. Metagame is interesting in that it's bad for a loose player to play overs, but typically loosest players want overs.

You have pre-flop action, then OTF the loose player usually has a draw. The overs player with a made hand isolates the drawing overs player, and suddenly he's on the big bet streets getting less than 3:1 drawing odds rather than 5:1 or better. If a loose player takes an overs button then he's probably going broke.

Interesting post electrical, good point.

SuperStud 8 I don't mind that much because it's not much different to the regular game, but Super Razzdugi or Super Razzdeucey (Super RazzBadeucey) is very difficult as a first time game because it takes a lot more thought, and is very different, even though it's a hybrid of 2 genres I know well.
And yeah some of the regs def are really bad at some things.
And yeah I get that most aren't big fans of LHE. But as I said it's one of my best games, and it's the easiest game to not be terrible bad. Also it's obv in the main set mixes of Horse, 8-game and 10-game. And it's more if they wouldn't want to play NLHE, because LHE straight doesn't ever actually run at the RIO.

Did you get that game at the Rio going again with those 2 guys who were drunk? Single Draw?

I feel like I'm missing some strategy with the Super Stud8. I guess I have to play tighter? Super Razzdugi I don't mind because I don't have that much Razzdugi experience nor will play it ever in a tourney. And I think that strategy is relatively straightforward. I was just playing tri 7s or better,or 6s with two suits.

Nah, that game never ran. I actually finished 4th in the 2-7 TDL at the Aria. It ended around midnight and I saw one of those guys coming out of the bathroom as I was leaving. So the game was never going to go.

This was my experience a few nights ago, too. This was my first visit since they changed management, so I thought I'd see if they'd improved.

Right away I noticed that there was one player on the electronic list, but when the floor man took my name he told me I was fourth, and wrote me down on the clipboard.

After a few minutes I went up to the table to check it out. They were six handed. A few minutes go by, then the dealer throws out a "seat open" button in one of the open spots. I then waited to see if a floor man would call the list. Nothing happened.

I wandered around the middle of the room for another 15 minutes, and I didn't hear anyone get called for the game. I assumed the explanation was that either they were texting / calling players, or they were just slow.

I'm not sure if those were just coincidences/rarities or what, but I've played in around 10 cash games at the Rio, and have been around and on lists for more, and haven't seen any of that kind of shadiness

Just to make it clear, I was talking about the Bellagio. Never tipping any floor there again.

I last played at Rio when I helped start a 50/100 mix game shorthanded at midday. I had to repeatedly ask before they finally got us a table/dealer despite the room being mostly empty, and the high limit section having only one game.

We started 3 handed, added a 4th player after 5 minutes. The first dealer did not know how to deal the games so we helped her. Before the game was 10 minutes old, they asked us to pay time. We called the floor over and asked if we had to pay time since we were a new game. He said yes, one player asked him why, given we had helped them by starting this game shorthanded. He didn't respond, merely turned his back on her and walked away.

After my third untrained dealer in a row, I quit vowing to never play there again. It was a long time coming. I started playing NL there about five years ago, in games where players tipped floor so they could impose their own rules (forced straddles & different buyin limits).

I was once escorted out because Jose Canseco loudly threatened to beat my ass, after I had literally said & done nothing. Jose was allowed to stay. I was staying at RIO; and had to prevail on he security guards to use common sense to prevent them from escorting me off property with no place to go.

The Rio hotel is a low rent craphole. People staying there have been robbed in their rooms at record rates this WSOP, Tom Schneider is just the latest. the poker room itself is a scumbag/angle shooting douche invested **** hole with corrupt employees extorting players to provide even mediocre service, the satellite floor they fired is only noteworthy for being caught.

I simply refuse to play there anymore. The Bellagio floors suck too, but they are more lazy than corrupt, and the limit games, atmosphere and dealers are far better.

you sound like quite the troublemaker

I like the hashbrowns you get from room service. One day I also got free frosted flakes.

Lolllll.
And seriously, what free hash browns/frosted flakes?! First I've heard of that. I want.

Oh, I only got the frosted flakes for free. I had ordered them but they didn't bring it. So she came back with them for free.

I was just saying something positive about the Rio when I said I liked the hash browns. I was just trying to break the wave of negativity that sometimes creeps into threads.

Im a semi-regular in the mix game at the Bellagio, so I thought I could try to clear up a couple of things. If anyone has any other questions, please don't hesitate to follow-up, ill be happy to try to answer as best as I can.

Re: the mix of games that tends to be played:

The players that start the game around noon every day pick the mix. There is one player that is there every day that the game tends to revolve around and he prefers to play badeucey, badacey, omaha/8 and one stud game. If you can get there when they're starting the game, I have found them to be fairly flexible within that framework in terms of what one could add/choose. That is to say, they always want to play those basic games, but you could add badugi, 2-7 etc, and pick whatever stud game(s) youd like to play, but the game will always have badeucey, badacey, and omaha/8 at its core.

I agree with the comments related to the nits liking to play the SUPER stud games because the games punish loose players. As a loose player myself, I would prefer to play regular stud games, but I can also tell you that there are very few nits in these games (as another poster had mentioned also). That being said, most of the guys that start the game at noon, with one exception
do prefer the SUPER games, so there's not much of a way around them.

Re: Big Bet games.... while the guys that play are not nitty, per se, they do tend to be on the older side and they dont prefer to play big bet AT ALL. I would love to see PLO/8, Single Draw 2-7, Big O or any other type big bets in the mix, but if its the standard day crew, theres no way they're going to play big bets in the mix.

Re: Whoever told the guy when he folded his button that he lost the right to add/edit the games, I dont know any of the regulars that would ever act that way. They do get stubborn if you're not there to start the game in terms of allowing edits, but they very rarely comment on other people's play, nor have I found that they really care how anyone else plays.

Re: the comment about the 'angley' nature of the game..... I have not found this to be the case. The core regulars tend to announce their hands and/or make it as easy as possible for the table to know what they have, specifically and especially because the dealers (for the most part) cannot and do not know how to read the hands in most of the games. Obviously, they make mistakes at times, but I know the core group that starts and none of them are malicious.

Re: time pots..... the time collection is $7/player. The $6/player charge was a mistake. The time pot is ALWAYS the first hand when the new dealer sits down. If it is a stud game, the time comes directly out of the antes. If its a draw or flop game, there must be a draw or flop for time to be taken. If 'time pot' is NOT announced, its still going to be a time pot. Its just that, in a lot of cases, the dealers are far from competent. No one, including the dealers, ever tries to intentionally hide the fact that its a time pot from the players, although if you're coming from another card room, I can certainly see why you might see that as being the case..... as with any number of other dealer errors that give the appearance of impropriety or favoritism. But, ultimately, its typically just incompetence. And, if you know any of the regular crew, and their understood impatience with the dealers' incompetence, youd know that the dealers would not tend to favor them in any way, lol.

Re: Bravo app/floor people..... the floor people during the day keep the lists on paper. So, what they actually do is put SEE FLOOR SUPERVISOR on the Bravo app under the 40-80 game listing.... which shows up ALWAYS as a full game with one name on the list (actually SEE FLOOR SUPERVISOR is the one name) whether the game is full or not. Again, they're incompetent and lazy, and this is just one example. But it certainly doesnt help the game that when there are seats open, potential players often think that the game is full.

Any other comments/questions, please feel free to follow up.

This was by far the toughest game I played in vegas, there was not one player in the B game that wouldn't have been the best player at the table at the 20/40 Rio mix. I was the worst player at the table due to my lack of Badugi/badeucy experience which is not something I have admitted in a long time, and I got beat up in the game accordingly. The only obviously bad play I saw while I was there was somebody limping the HJ in 2-7TD.

Yea I got to stop walking up to tables to see why Canseco is yelling at my friend while I say nothing.

Now that I realize I never got free frosted flakes I'm even angrier.

Cheer up. I never got free frosted flakes either.

I used to love them... could eat a whole big box at one sitting... one bowl after another... but I haven't had them for a few years now.

Because now I have diabetes, probably at least partly due to consuming too many bowlfuls of frosted flakes. I try to control the disease by diet, so as to avoid insulin needles. (And frosted flakes are definitely taboo).

I had a student once who complained that he liked frosted flakes but found them a bit too sweet. I suggested he mix them half and half with regular corn flakes. And that was the last time I ever saw him. (That was thirty some years ago). I used to imagine him in the Eden of breakfast nooks, mixing frosted flakes with regular corn flakes to his heart's content... until perhaps he got diabetes too.

So cheer up. Count your blessings. Stay away from sugar as much as you can.

Buzz

Lol Buzz, wtf? Ran with the serious side of a random flippant/sarcastic comment?

Also now I'm glad I just looked around the Bellagio and didn't play.

I hope you enjoyed it.

See you Saturday at South Point.

Buzz

Wow, interesting comments.... first time back at Bellagio in a few years, had read here on 2 + 2, that giving the sign-up people $20, your name and phone number, would get $20 in chips on the table, a phone call from them, and 10 min to get to seat. I wandered in a total stranger, hearing impaired, and did exactly that. The woman took the $20, called me on my cell phone, and when I made it to room (BJ21 Degennin) she pointed to my seat, which had $20 in chips in front. I took out a $ 20 bill, walked over and handed it her....."whats that for" she says.......... that's for great hospitality..... at Foxwoods, we have to register at the desk. They take our name, cell #, and system auto-text you when your seat is ready. I was more than satisfied with the service to get in the games...

Your service was great,

Only cause you knew to ask,

Never do they offer,

To those that don't know,

Next time I will ask for it,

And still never tip them,

for the terrible service given,

those who never knew to ask,

and for their hautiness, arrogance,

and ******ed nicknames.

Bobo?

Really?

For a grown man?

Desert..... In all practicality, that place was a complete mob scene.... Lists for games 40+ deep...... Maybe they need a different system.... All I know is the experience was better than could be expected ..... Good luck

Lol.... U got 12,000 post here and missed the info newbie Puck gleaned ???

It's their job to have systems to handle the exact same mob scene they have for a 6 weeks straight during the WSOP every year.

A simple card swipe system eliminates 99% of the problems and work. Allowing the less utilized low limit board to add players to all lists eliminates 90% of problems & work. But neither solution allows them to extort as much in tips so they don't put one in.

So everyone's experience is actually far worse than expected, and it's all their fault.

So it's my fault I didn't scan through thousands of threads/posts on 2p2 in looking to see if by chance there was a post explaining how Bellagio floors want to be approached?

And actually tipping a Bellagio floor up front doesn't entitle me to this information?

You accidentally ran into the information and assume it's common knowledge?

I'm guessing when you win at poker you might be mistaking it for skill.

Probably right...... I try to keep everything simple, keep my eyes open, and have fun at the table with my fellow players. Works well for me; been stacking them high for 30 years......

Hi, saw your post in the thread and seems you're a semi reg at the game. Would you mind sharing your opinion on the level of player pool at the game to the perspective of a rec tourist who plays for fun? Like if I'm gonna blow couple Ks trying to make money on a weekend are there much better games to play in Vegas?

Thanks a lot!