Played some Badugi with a couple friends. Small stakes, really just to pass the time. Triple draw, with ante and limit betting (1 unit ante, 1 unit bets/raises at all times). Although some of us have played it before, we didn't remember each and every rule, and more importantly, what to do when things went wrong.

It appears that we should have made it a blinds game, with a 1 unit small blind, and 2 unit big blind. Playing fixed limit should have meant 2 unit bets on the deal and after the first draw. 4 unit bets after the 2nd and 3rd draws. Might lower the stakes and play it that way next time. Also possible, 2-10 unit spread limit, pot limit, half-pot limit, no limit (UGH).

In order to keep things obvious, we just swept the discards/mucks into 1 pile after the first draw, a 2nd pile after the 2nd draw, and a 3rd pile after the 3rd draw, to stop the arguments over how many draws we had.

No burns prior to dealing replacement cards, unless nobody took a card, in which case I suggested a burn to make a pile (strange, I know). Other than simply remembering, is there a standard way to indicate how many draws there have been?

In a card room, I think they burn before starting to pitch cards (other than the initial cut & deal). We don't normally burn in 7-stud (they do in a casino), and probably wouldn't burn (except as mentioned before). Is there usually a burn before pitching replacement cards?

Does "Badugi" imply a 4-card hand? Does "3-card Five" mean a hand with 3 different suits and ranks, highest of the 3 cards is a 5, and "Badugi Nine" means a hand with 4 different suits and ranks, the highest of which is a 9?

The game plays short handed, and loose. There is a distinct possibility that one of these times we will run the stub all the way down. What happens then? Changes to our structure might mean people actually fold, although decreasing stakes means that they probably won't.

Exposed cards on the deal. We treated it like we do in hold'em, kept dealing around, replaced it as the last card. IIRC, it was a 9, and mine, and I commented that I thought the lowball standard was any card that could be used to make a nutted hand MUST be kept, otherwise MUST be replaced. Correct?

Exposed replacement cards. Didn't happen, same procedure as if on the deal?

General max players per table?

Always a triple draw?


Anything else I might be missing for Live Micro Stakes Badugi?


Thanks!

Great idea!

Not that I know of.

Tiny indentations or marks may be visible on the back of cards. The idea of burning is to not allow the back of the card to be dealt next to be exposed and thus readable, when the cards are sitting on the table between rounds of dealing.

There's a burn every time the cards are not continuously dealt. (That's my understanding).

I think so.
http://www.fulltilt.com/poker/games/badugi/

I think so. (That makes sense to me).

I think so. (Again, that makes sense to me).

The dealer reshuffles. So far as I know the rules for reshuffling are the same as for 27 triple draw lowball.

Seems right. I think that's standard.

I don't think so. I believe any exposed card must be replaced... period.

I suppose so.

It's a home game. Do it any way you want. Six players works for us, but if seven or eight showed up, we'd deal all seven or eight a hand. (That might require reshuffling more than once)

So far as I know.

Google "Badugi strategy site."

You're welcome.

Buzz

Thanks. I suppose I should be happy about playing with players who can't remember how many draws we've had. It was quickly apparent that most hands would be slowed with discussions over which draw we were on.

Thanks. I'm familiar with reasons for burns, but that hasn't stopped this crew from not burning in stud, pre-burning in flop games, flashing the bottom of the deck, flashing burns, or my other crew from pre-dealing the board. I have the same understanding about when to burn.

OK. I'll see if we can reserve "Badugi" to imply a 4-card hand.


Regarding exposed cards. It appears to be dependent on the form of lowball (Badugi is not mentioned), and when the card is exposed. RRoP at bottom.

Only cards on the initial deal may end up being kept, and it is never the players choice.
For limit A-5, Must keep A-7.
For all other versions, must keep any nutted cards.

Reshuffling: As per PokerStars at bottom.
Wait until I reach a player who requests more cards than there are left, so as many players get 'fresh' cards drawn.
Reshuffle discards, including those from that round and continue dealing.
Repeat as needed.
Unlike PokerStars, there will be a chance for a player to get back a previously discarded card. Unsure why they would make that effort, to avoid something that can happen IRL.


Thanks. I'm sure we'll just be playing it shorthanded, as we get more players, we're more likely to change to Hold'em. But nice to know we can deal more guys in, and reshuffle repeatedly.


Strategy talk... probably limiting myself to folding more, playing position and being aggressive when I'm in a pot. Seems to work for pretty much every other game there




















From RRoP


From Pokerstars

Does pokerstars do a virtual burn card of have any restriction on using the bottom card of the deck as there would be in live poker?

I like that logic. Following it for badugi, an exposed ace, deuce, trey, or four would not be replaced while any other card would be replaced.

And thanks for correcting me. The way we have been doing it, replacing every exposed card after the deal, regardless of the game, is wrong.

Buzz

You burn before dealing replacement cards or also burn once even if everyone is pat. The number of burn cards indicate how many draws have completed. When players draw cards the ones they toss should be left aside until that round of draws is completed and then mixed into one muck. This prevents drawn cards from being mixed into the muck early if the dealer runs out of cards midway through the draw. He then reshuffles the muck and burn cards (in most places), but NOT the current rounds discards and continues dealing. This prevents a player from receiving back the exact same card they threw away.

Game is usually 8 players max.

I don't know about the virtual burn. I think there has been discussion about if online sites burn a card, and if so, why.
I did not see anything about not using the bottom card of the deck. I'll guess that it generally isn't used, because it's most likely to have been seen by a non-professional dealer.


Yes, I think I'll suggest the switch to that. If we follow A-5 limit protocol, then Badugi would not replace the fiver or six either.

I think you are supposed to replace every exposed card after the deal. Those exceptions are only for dealt cards.

Thanks. I like the idea of burning for keeping track of draws each time.

One muck pile for all the discards (but not the burns) on the first draw.
Second draw should be completed before the discards are all mixed into the muck.
Same for third.

I'll probably suggest that the burns not get mixed in, at least at first, to help keep track of the number of draws.

Technically, I could get back a first or second discard on the second or third draw. It sounds like PS has a way to prevent that.

Played again, with a third player.

P3 is a great friend. Can't always pay attention. Can get frustrated, can be frustrating.

Introduced new procedure, burn a card, replace cards, discards into 1 pile.

Couple of forgotten burns, burned at some point during replace, nobody cared.

Eventually got tired of early discarding, players not knowing if we were betting or drawing, not following action and called it a day.

Haven't played again since, but feel better about new procedures.

Thanks again.

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Have fun.

S&&T it's more compicated than online.

Badugi is the name of the game and indicates the objective, just like 2-7. Thus, a badugi represents off suit only. The strongest badugi being A-4 off suit. 2 card and 3 card badugi are permisable, as is a 2 and 1 card badugi terms imo.

I write notes or call, 4cd badugi nit.. etc. Keeping it simple.. Bet 2cd otr oop. Etc. A 3 card badugi is 3 off suit cards, no repeats.

Keep it simple and fun. Discuss prior to your next game, or print out rules and follow them.

Increase ante to 1/2 (if cash and too much make it .5/1 etc). If you regularly have many people in hands, your strategy is tight is right.. 2cards under (pos no raised pots for example) 4 and 3 card badugi starting hands. You can figure out where you need to be tighter with some play. This is the general strategy starting out. If you are in a hand, short handed with a maniac.. just draw 1 card till you hit *(on current stakes).

If it is play chips no one really cares, play is loose, and the most important thing is the fun, discussion and beer. Enjoy. YOu can enquire everyone take it serious, but with out skill and knowledge this will fall flat after 30 minutes imo.

Btw, not sure your age which matters only slightly. Just make home game rules. THis is the easiest. Keep the main applied rules the same such that odds are standard.

IF no one is cheating, who cares about a burn card? If play is play chips and every one calls, limit starting stack and increase blinds like a tournament (people dont want to sit on the side)... may kill the game atmostphere or increase antes. Maybe everyone puts in 40 cents or 20 cents like the russians here playing there home game *i dont know its name*. Play 5 or 10 cent per draw.

YOu are the rulers and stratagists.

Try something, and if people dont like it play on new ideas. Ultimately, it sounds like you just want fun with friends. As long as the majority is happy and goals of the night are being met!

Money should be introduced when rules are settled only imo. GL

P.s. If you cannot remeber draws, it doesnt have to be burn cards. It can be shots (that would be one drunk night or a short game), it can be 3 markers or 10 k play chips for example. " Just toss it in the pot (centre) and if in doubt, you either have none left or 3 in the pot, or people were not telling that it didnt go in (which they should).