5 handed in decent mixed lineup. I've only played this game a hand full of times and never this big but I felt comfortable enough to give it a try. If I remember correctly 99 was the qualifier. I was in the game about 45min and ran bad in a few spots and was about even on the session and Eli Elezra who was in the game moved mid game and got direct position on me so I assume I did something he found fishy or he wanted position on the player to my right, idk.

About the players in the hand, Eli is fairly straight forward and aggressive and will push his edge when he feels he's ahead, not too tricky but he will throw a few check raises in as he sees fit but he's usually doing the betting when he has a hand for the most part. Button is a young Swedish guy with mixed experience but asked abut other mixed games and said this is the highest he'd want to play. He asked as if he's never played live mixed before. He's played decent but has bluffed a little too much imo, he's been aggressive and has done his best to play tricky and disguise some hands in other games but I have no reads in this game.

This hand I'm in the SB with A3445 and it's folded to the button and he raises. I 3 bet and Eli from the BB 4 bets, call, call.

First draw I toss the 4 and receive a J (JA345, eli pat, btn takes 1

I check, bet, call, call

Second draw I toss the J and receive an Ace (AA345), Pat, Pat

I check, check, btn bets this time, call, call

Third draw I toss the 4 and receive 2 (AA235), Eli takes 1, Pat

I bet........



Any feedback on how I played the hand?

What happened on the second draw?

Second draw I toss the J and receive an Ace (AA345), Pat, Pat

I check, check, btn bets this time, call, call

I think you should either draw 1 at the wheel or 3 at aces. I would likely draw at the wheel given this action.

Vast majority of pat pre range is lows, and if the second player made a high he would raise. He likely made like a 7-low that he wants to showdown. I would draw 3 in this spot because it gives you some slight amount of equity when someone has a high. Leading the river doesn't work because people will almost always show down any qualified hand for 1 bet anyway, so you're not gonna bluff out half the pot or anything lilke that.

So tossing the 4 was an attempt to disguise your hand?

If btn has a high hand he played his hand like a boss: Eli breaks away from half the pot in a 10 bb pot and a wheel draw not only breaks to aces but also draws completely dead


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Yeah

Aces have more EV vs pat, pat ranges then drawing to a wheel here or am I missing something?

Against a pat high range AA is pretty much drawing dead so why draw 3?

You think a high would attempt to iso a pat (most likely low) hand? like I said I haven't played this game much but I'd think a high hand would just call to keep me in.

If he has a high hand that's not pat but he played as pat on second draw to get Eli to break as a freeroll and scoop. If he has KJT9 and caught a pair and we're both low he almost has a lock for half so why not pat and freeroll the whole pot?

I just think they are gonna play perfect vs you in this particular spot when you draw 3 which is I guess why you played your hand the way you did. Your line just doesn't accomplish anything you want it to. No one decent is folding a qualifying hand in a pot this big. And obviously you aren't getting anyone to call you with a worse hand so instead of drawing almost dead when you are wrong you are drawing completely dead for no reason.

Also I happen to think btns most likely hand should be high if your read is correct. He should raise to isolate Eli with any decent low hand as Eli's distribution of low hands is quite weak and letting you draw cheaply really sucks.


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I can def get behind drawing 3 being better given the size of the pot. But I think your line is the worst of both worlds.


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This seems quite optimistic. Your distribution has a bunch of 2 pair and patting a 1 pair hand vs that part of your range is obviously awful.




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I agree with OTR but I'm mostly wondering about the purpose of the river bet?

What are thoughts on Eli's play -- if he did have a weak low, is he right to break on river?

Why do you think this. I think your likely underestimated the distribution of pat hands that are made hi hands.

Given that Eli isn't gonna cold cap 8 low here (I assume he won't at least although it looks like he probably did) and we are holding 5 wheel cards to start id expect one of these players to have a made hi hand.

Obviously Eli doesn't when he breaks but I don't think button riases full house/ straights or small flushes after first draw

Can't imagine a hand is play like this: if it's like 34568/A2468 I'd break from start and if it's a rough 8 I'd fold pre and if it's a a 7 I'd pay and hope to see a hi hand.

Unless it's something stupid people do like patting kings up from start which I've seen for some reason

So yes, Eli fish.

And still no good explanation of why BTN raise after 1st

He called after the 1st.
Bet for value after the second.

*Why button didn't raise after 1st

Maybe starts with 2 pair, boats up and wants to keep the two players in to battle for the low?

I think buttons most likely hand is a boAt as well, or a wheel.

I'm thinking if he had a wheel, or a low straight, he more than likely would have raised after the first draw. His line suggests to me that he has a good high.

Sounds like a goot game!

Here I think it helps to know the distribution of made high hands versus low. Someone wakes up with a straight or better around .76% of the time. Someone gets dealt a pat 76 or better .83% of the time.

That is with no knowledge of any cards, since you hold five low cards yourself it's more likely you are up against a pat high hand. Personally I think it's a bad play to go crazy with a 76 low in the BB like Eli may have done.

The 3 bet pre is the clear move but then things get worse. But given what you knew at the time I would have just continued drawing to the low the entire way. I mean even if I knew Eli was breaking I think the play is to go for low. The button sure looks like he has a flush or two pair that turned a boat. There are only so many low cards in the deck.

Yeah, I think he has a boat. Flush is a possibility too but leaning towards boat.

I think he called because he feels like Eli would not break a low and did not want to lose the SB. He wanted to chop up someone. But then it looks like Eli threw away half.