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Anyone beating microstakes TD these days? Anyone beating microstakes TD these days?

04-26-2016 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Small Balls
Kine, would you mind sharing your actual win rate is? I've played with you, and I don't doubt that you're winning. Just curious how much can actually be made. I haven't tracked results for a while so I'm not sure what mine is.
5 BB/100 playing 3-6 handed. 2BB/100 2-6 handed. Pretty much breaking even(excluding rakeback) playing hu. The rake is just stupid high.
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04-26-2016 , 05:32 PM
would deposit a little more and play atleast .5-1.
Not that much harder.
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04-26-2016 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild Card
Yeah... I never actually said that! lol
I think you're putting words into peoples mouths here.

I wasn't making any assumptions (or statements) on how much attention the company pays to various aspects of its business.
I was just saying, I can see a way that would make their customers happier & make pokerstars more money.

Infact, I have an idea of how they can really grow their business, it requires more than this one thing.



Yeah, maybe.
Well there are a couple of options:
1.) Do nothing / say nothing (this probably has closer to that 0 chance that you mentioned)
2.) Do something / remind them. Let them know when they ask. (you've got nothing to lose by just telling them how things are)

If it helps, think of it in poker terms, number 2 is probably the correct choice. zero risk for potential +EV result lol
(positive result for everyone, including the poker site making more profit. everyone is better off.)

So next time a pokerstars rep asks how they can improve the draw games, we can mention it occasionally, as a suggestion.
10 voices are louder than 1 voice

You're free to do either option, of course. I don't know when the last time someone mentioned it to them. Maybe 1 person mentioned it just once, two years ago? Perhaps they need reminding? If you say nothing, how will they ever know what their customers think?

They really dont care. They have been pushing the rake higher and higher in all games the last couple of years. A lot of people have voiced their opinions. Pokerstars know very well that the games are getting unbeatable.
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04-27-2016 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild Card
I don't know when the last time someone mentioned it to them. Maybe 1 person mentioned it just once, two years ago? Perhaps they need reminding? If you say nothing, how will they ever know what their customers think?
Well I don't know how you possibly got to this conclusion from what I said, and from what others said here before me. The "maybe 1 person mentioned it just once two years ago" part is absurd, especially as multiple in this thread have said they've asked. I've asked before, and others I know have asked before, it happens every year.
Again, you can feel free to try and remind/ask them if you want. Just most people have now given up with it, because they recognise a lost cause when they see it.
My friend recently showed them how much he got raked in a session (it was a completely ridiculous amount), which was clearly unbeatable, and they literally do not care.

And I disagree that you don't lose anything by e-mailing them. It basically wastes time and effort, especially if you have any hopes and emotions riding on it at all. And then the responses you get from them are almost always tilting and/or depressing.
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05-03-2016 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Hero Value
Well I don't know how you possibly got to this conclusion from what I said,
I didn't.

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Originally Posted by Hero Value
The "maybe 1 person mentioned it just once two years ago" part is absurd
1 person posted in this thread saying he had contacted them, but didn't say when. (see post #19)
You seemed prone to exaggeration in your post (post #24), so I disregarded it. (apologies)

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Originally Posted by Hero Value
multiple in this thread have said they've asked.
Well if we count both of you, it makes 2.
(since then, you have added about your friend, so that now makes 3).

Did both you and your friend contact them specifically about TD rake? Or was it just about rake in general?

Just to be clear, we are just talking about Triple Draw at the micros here, as per the thread title.
And I'd like us to stick to that topic please , rather than you going round in circles trying to randomly pick apart some of my sentences (which is futile).

p.s. well done for contacting them, it all helps
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05-03-2016 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kine17
They really dont care. They have been pushing the rake higher and higher in all games the last couple of years. A lot of people have voiced their opinions. Pokerstars know very well that the games are getting unbeatable.
Ok I hear what you are saying.
Well I find it useful discussing it here, and I appreciate hearing about your experience at the micros.
It does sound like heads up at .10/.20 might be broken.
Although it's not too much of a big deal, because you can just wait for the table to fill up.
Would be really easy for them to fix HU and would cost them almost nothing. (and in the longer term they profit)

You say 'they dont care', but I think it's likely there are probably some people within Pokerstars who agree with us.
They do care about their business. And we agree there are ways they can improve their business.

Do you think the HU rake is specifically worse for this game type? (compared to other limit game types)
Have you contacted them? If so, what exactly did you get as a response from them?

Anyway, I wasn't so much thinking of emailing them, but rather to make suggestions to the Pokerstars rep. They definately read and reply to posts.
They do ask for feedback here (like in the Scoop thread). I can see there's loads of people posting requests about hold em, we could do with a few more people voicing their enthusiasm for Triple Draw & draw games. So if anyone feels like doing that, that would be great
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05-04-2016 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Card
Ok I hear what you are saying.
Well I find it useful discussing it here, and I appreciate hearing about your experience at the micros.
It does sound like heads up at .10/.20 might be broken.
Although it's not too much of a big deal, because you can just wait for the table to fill up.
Would be really easy for them to fix HU and would cost them almost nothing. (and in the longer term they profit)

You say 'they dont care', but I think it's likely there are probably some people within Pokerstars who agree with us.
They do care about their business. And we agree there are ways they can improve their business.

Do you think the HU rake is specifically worse for this game type? (compared to other limit game types)
Have you contacted them? If so, what exactly did you get as a response from them?

Anyway, I wasn't so much thinking of emailing them, but rather to make suggestions to the Pokerstars rep. They definately read and reply to posts.
They do ask for feedback here (like in the Scoop thread). I can see there's loads of people posting requests about hold em, we could do with a few more people voicing their enthusiasm for Triple Draw & draw games. So if anyone feels like doing that, that would be great
I havent written to them, because I see it as a waste of my time.

In my opinion hu triple draw isnt really beatable playing someone competent in the micros. Even the fish arent that bad, so you cant easily crush them for over 10 -20 bb/100 pre rakeback (over a decent sample). Like you can in nlh and omaha. The edges in triple draw isnt that huge.

Triple draw can somewhat be compared to razz in that regard. Fairly simple rules, small edges and hard to be the best at. And you will rarely crush someone over a good sample (unless you are saniker, kagome, donthnr etc. )
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05-09-2016 , 04:05 PM
I don't play online any more, but I've always found it astounding that they don't bend over backwards to make it cost-effective to play heads up. They've already written the software, so there's little marginal cost (only opportunity cost) to a new game.

In US live B&M poker, it would be fairly common for the house to offer rake-free HU play to start a game. Yet online, with lower marginal cost, they don't. Baffling.
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05-13-2016 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kine17
In my opinion hu triple draw isnt really beatable playing someone competent in the micros. Even the fish arent that bad, so you cant easily crush them for over 10 -20 bb/100 pre rakeback (over a decent sample). Like you can in nlh and omaha. The edges in triple draw isnt that huge.

Triple draw can somewhat be compared to razz in that regard. Fairly simple rules, small edges and hard to be the best at. And you will rarely crush someone over a good sample (unless you are saniker, kagome, donthnr etc. )
This is interesting, I was thinking much the same about HU. It's helpful to hear that confirmed
Also how does it compare to LHE?

It seems to me, I think they have just given a blanket rake to all games.
But they should really make some small adjustments: i.e. slightly lower the rake at micro Heads Up triple draw.
Not all games are the same (and so the rake should not always be the same).
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05-13-2016 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
I don't play online any more, but I've always found it astounding that they don't bend over backwards to make it cost-effective to play heads up. They've already written the software, so there's little marginal cost (only opportunity cost) to a new game.
Yes I agree, there is no 'extra' cost to a new table/game online.
Whereas, when playing live there is an employee (the dealer) required for each new table starting.

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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
In US live B&M poker, it would be fairly common for the house to offer rake-free HU play to start a game. Yet online, with lower marginal cost, they don't. Baffling.
This is very interesting! I didn't know they did that.
So in live games the casino will happily supply an employee (the dealer) for a rake-free game, for the opportunity to attract more customers. Casinos have been running for several decades longer than online, of course, so I'm sure they know everything there is to know about running these games.
Whereas online, they won't budge a few cents? It is pretty bizarre.

One of the few positive things I can think of at the moment, is that online they could decide to lower it at any time, and maybe they are keeping that option open?
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05-17-2016 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by doylebrunson1337
Spin & Go's happened.
this
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05-17-2016 , 11:13 PM
i dont know how common rake free hu is in live poker. best ive seen is just reduced rake
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