With A234 after 1st draw, 3 handed, 4 bets pre draw, and everyone drew at least 1, how many bets are you putting in here with 2 draws left? I think I was button, and let's assume it's gonna be 3 handed regardless of how many bets being put in, but only 1 other aggressor with 3rd player just tagging along. One decent player and one very good player (other aggressor).

First time in a couple weeks to my reg game and they added A-5 triple draw (I think it replaced badacey). I think the appeal is that it's a 1 winner game. Got beat up by variance a bit and lost 3 hands with 6 lows.

This was the last hand of the night, and came upon this situation and was wondering how many bets to put in here.

1 or 2 depending on the action, usually 1

if on the button I'm raising everything other than bet, raise, raise. that would change if one of the raisers would only raise with a made 6, and a read that specific is likely rare.

you're getting > than 4-1 on any money that goes this betting round with 32% to end the hand with #1 or #2, 45% when you add the nut 7.

so if the action went bet, call, hero? you would say just flat call 4-ways?

if that's what you'e saying, what's the thinking behind that?

Thanks for the input guys. To clarify, it's 3 handed, me and 2 other players. It was like 7:30 in the morning and we've been playing 3 handed for like 3 hours.

I'm hoping this becomes a back and forth because 1-10, my knowledge of theory is at best a 3 and I know there's a lot of v smart players who read this section.

OP to answer your question I think the best # is 3 bets. if you're in a spot where you're you can raise to a 4th you're likely going to need a 5 or a 6 to win the hand. its not as if you're dominated.

also if you're seen piling bets in from the btn then drawing that should increase the # of bets you can get in after 2nd draw when you make your hand. if some1 in front makes a 7 and bets you'll get 3-bet after hitting yhatzee much more often after aggressive flop betting/draw1 than you would if you played the flop passively and only started raising after 2nd.

edit: just saw that it was a 3 handed game, for some reason I was thinking a full game, 4-way pot.

on the button I'd slow down after the 4th bet.

1) I know this will seem like a stupid question to some of you, but to the more advanced players this is the first question we ask ourselves. WHY are you raising?

2) Have you considered that your outs may (or may not) be tainted? You might be facing some equally strong draws, or draws that are dirtying your ability to make your hand. How comfortable are you with a 7 on the next street? An 8? You really want to make a 5 or a 6, both of which have an equal chance of being tainted as any other premium card (of course factorng in our own card removal adjusts the probability, but I think it makes the concept easier to understand).

3) Vs one opponent who is drawing one to a 5, lets say A345, you have only 53.2% equity with 2 draws remaining. If that opponent has 3456 and will break an 8 then your equity goes up by only 3.5% to 56.7%. Vs 2367 you have 60% equity - finally something to get excited about, but you will rarely see good opponents with this cheese in their range. Now imagine adding a second opponent into the field... this doesn't get too pretty. Lets assume your two opponents hold A64 and 2367, then we have just 52.9% equity.

4) As you can see from #3 above the equities are SUPER slim - but there is some redeeming value. Your hand is disguised, vs an equally made hand such as an 8 you are ahead of all other 8's your opponents may hold (or tied), and you have position on the field allowing you the ultimate deciding factor.

At times there are advantages to raising, at times there are no advantages, and at other times there is nothing but disadvantages. Thats why its important to know the answer to #1 before responding to the OP's question. What is the goal of a raise?

For starters, it got capped pre and we took 1 and got lead into.

We don't have a pat hand, it is much easier to make a pat hand in A-5 as opposed to the more commonly played 2-7, and I can't think of any reason to raise. It's not like we need to blow anybody out to protect our hand. We catch a 5 or 6 and we can happily put in a few bets, but right now we don't have a hand to protect and that could be the only reason to raise, as we don't have value, considering somebody has already told us they're pat.

Precise action on draw matters. If the guy leading the street took 1 and the guy calling took 2 or hero took 2 then raising is fine. Villain should be expected to bet UI if he was a card ahead and 3-handed we have value from the third man even if villain is leading a modest pat hand. Razz players should appreciate this situation as it has an analog where 3-handed we can raise a strong draw vs a weaker made hand and a worse draw.

If it's several bets to us we flat with the nut draw of course.

If the man up front took two and leads, the man in the middle took one and raises we have to evaluate their tendencies. If the man in the middle is a good player he can raise to k/o a better draw with a weak made hand or a draw. It's unlikely the player up front who took 2 would lead if he had a very strong hand as he can expect a bet from the D1 as described, so if he is a good player he can lead a lot of his range expecting the man in the middle to raise and isolate him.

If the man up front is a stone nit and has a pat hand here 100% and the man in the middle knows this then you may need to hang on for another round of betting. You can't fold in a capped pot though, not yet. After the next draw if you are hit with 2 BB cold and UI then you fold.

Thanks for the insights everyone. I didn't post the entire details of the hand cuz I didn't wanna broadcast what a rec fish I can be at times. It was the last hand of the night, as we've been playing 3 handed since after 4 am and it was 7:30 already. And a wise man once told me it takes half a million hands to see one's true win rate without excessive variance. Well, I might never play that many hands ever given how often I play, so my poker "career" might as well be one giant variance fest, no?

Given all that, I end up calling 4 small bets pre draw with only 24xxx and drew 3 to hit A234. Well, can't stop now. So I raise cap 5 more small bets. Now we're heading into 2nd draw with a whopping 27 small bets in the pot. Yay. 2nd draw I obviously drew 1 and the other aggressor patted. The guy who tagged along also drew 1. I paired my ace. Not terrible. Just 1 bet from the aggressor and 2 calls. Last draw, I bink the 6 and took it down vs 7 perfect.

Not proud of how that was played and I knew better than to play 24xxx pre draw. But I honestly wanted to know the best course of action with A234 with 2 draws left. While it seems a bit nitty to only c/c, it kinda makes sense. I think I just got a bit better in triple draw games. Thanks.