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Old 05-11-2017, 02:51 PM   #1
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$27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

I'm posting this hand because I got looked up incredibly light in this spot and was wondering if my line looked credible? Only played with villain for about an hour so no reads other than some weird stuff. He drew 2 on 1st draw and made a pat 875 in a 3 way pot but then checked back all 3 streets. He also capped pre draw in a multiway pot and drew 3 I believe.

As I'm typing this, the guy hero called me with 77 in a 1,1 spot so maybe I'm overthinking it but I wouldn't mind some feedback anyway.
I was planning on just flatting the BB and drawing 3 but then obviously after picking up the case 8, I felt it was a must snow spot.

Poker Stars $24.55+$2.45 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball Tournament - t320/t640 Limit - 6 players - View hand 3062653
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CO: t8320 26 BBs
BTN: t7940 24.81 BBs
SB: t14780 46.19 BBs
Hero (BB): t22970 71.78 BBs
UTG: t13420 41.94 BBs
MP: t1970 6.16 BBs

Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with A 8 8 8 2
UTG raises, MP folds, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls

First Draw: (4.5 SB) (2 players)
Hero draws 3, UTG draws 2
Hand: 9 8 8 2 2
Hero bets, UTG calls

Second Draw: (3.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero draws 1, UTG draws 1
Hand: T 9 8 8 2
Hero bets, UTG calls

Third Draw: (5.25 BB) (2 players)
Hero stands pat, UTG draws 1
Hand: T 9 8 8 2
Hero bets, UTG calls

Final Pot: 7.25 BB
Hero shows T 9 8 8 2 (Lo: a pair of Eights)
UTG shows 5 5 4 3 2 (Lo: a pair of Fives)
UTG wins 7.25 BB
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:15 PM   #2
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

I think it's good. Calling 55 is really, really awful there.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:06 AM   #3
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

I hate this line - villain call is bad but just fold pre, drawing 3 and its not even smooth

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Old 05-12-2017, 01:57 AM   #4
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

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I hate this line - villain call is bad but just fold pre, drawing 3 and its not even smooth
I wouldnt normally call in this spot, but we can't just fold trip 8's here can we? It leaves him drawing very thin whatever he has (4 7's, an 8 and 4 9's with his exact hand, but he may fold/break a 9). So I may be drawing 3 but I figured I was going to snow quite often after the first draw unless I improved to a 1 card draw.

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Old 05-12-2017, 03:03 AM   #5
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

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I wouldnt normally call in this spot, but we can't just fold trip 8's here can we? It leaves him drawing very thin whatever he has (4 7's, an 8 and 4 9's with his exact hand, but he may fold/break a 9). So I may be drawing 3 but I figured I was going to snow quite often after the first draw unless I improved to a 1 card draw.

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Yes and no, you basically forced to make your hand against villain as he seems call happy.
So yes, I understand the logic behind the play here but snowing a player like villain seems -ev to me.
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:20 AM   #6
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

First draw donk seems suspicious; don't people always check OOP when they drew more cards?

Also don't get the snow while continuing to draw, but I don't play this game a lot.
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Old 05-12-2017, 04:37 AM   #7
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First draw donk seems suspicious; don't people always check OOP when they drew more cards?

Also don't get the snow while continuing to draw, but I don't play this game a lot.
3:2 it's actually correct to bet when you improve to 1 because your opponent shouldn't bet UI. It's just a more sophisticated snow - more believable as a hand willing to bet the river than going 3-pat
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Old 05-12-2017, 05:53 AM   #8
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First draw donk seems suspicious; don't people always check OOP when they drew more cards?

Also don't get the snow while continuing to draw, but I don't play this game a lot.
If i go straight from 3 to pat, my range consists of too many weak pats that don't bet river, so if I did bet river I believe my range would be more polarised and as a result he'd be tempted to look me up lighter (although this particular villain looked me up as light as you can get).

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Old 05-12-2017, 01:39 PM   #9
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

Looks good, I may just go cr and pat after first draw instead but I thin your line is fine also
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:05 PM   #10
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

I think you are overestimating the blocking power of the 8s because once you draw 3 villain can start patting all sorts of garbage and play his entire range super-agressively

When you lead the flop you should expect to get raised often - maybe you will be able to pull off a bluff sucessfully once in a while but you don't need to get involved here - if you get raised are you prepared to 3! Put in multiple big bets the next 2 streets? And once the pot gets big enough will you even have enough fe for your line to be worth it
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:32 PM   #11
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

I play it the same.
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Old 05-14-2017, 11:20 AM   #12
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I think you are overestimating the blocking power of the 8s because once you draw 3 villain can start patting all sorts of garbage and play his entire range super-agressively
you are underestimating how good all the 8s are. Its hard for villain to make a hand he can play aggressively.
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Old 05-15-2017, 04:27 PM   #13
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

Well played
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:03 PM   #14
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

Your line should work and the cards you caught are perfect for it, but snowing with 8882 I would start D1 as this nicely polarizes your D1 range in a spot where you expect to earn more from your snow hands than value hands. If you drew 3:1 and made a good Eight, your opponent would rarely be able to pay you off.

I mean, a pair of Fives I guess...
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:57 AM   #15
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Your line should work and the cards you caught are perfect for it, but snowing with 8882 I would start D1 as this nicely polarizes your D1 range in a spot where you expect to earn more from your snow hands than value hands. If you drew 3:1 and made a good Eight, your opponent would rarely be able to pay you off.

I mean, a pair of Fives I guess...
I like the sound of that line, because it at least gives us bluffs when we're drawing 1 at the 1st draw. Why do we expect to earn more from snows though?

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Old 05-18-2017, 12:19 PM   #16
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Re: $27 SCOOP 2-7 TD Snow spot

When you block so many hands your opponents will often give up on the turn because they don't improve enough to continue. This means neither your value bets nor bluffs get called. When a value bet gets called on the turn, your opponents usually have some equity against you, so in this spot you should have more bluffs than value bets.
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