I hit 2347 OTT, check OOP and have 2 bets to call? Draws were 2-1 from hero (you discarded 3-3 in draws).

Does it change in position vs OOP aggresive betting?

A simplified comment on the ideal way to think about itwould be best. ie. when to draw or when to fold.

Can what you discard have impact on a decision?

AFAIK, always call to the nuts - but they represent made hands and my outs will be thin. So it is a fold I am assuming, but assumptions are bad = me asking.

I haven't been playing in 2 years. Still though I have got top 40 in the NL SD MM (a bad insta snap sending me out - I cry everytime), and took down a 3 bi TD tourney already in 4 days of play.)

So far, I think my game is so-so for micro stakes play.

We don't have enough info about pot size, actions etc but to answer one of your questions yes your discards are a negative factor if they are pat because they are somewhat more likely to have 5s and 6s in their hand with 3s dead.

Assume 35c + 30c + 60c my turn to act. If it is more it would be (add 30c or 60c assuming additional flop betting).

In the event I overlooked anything obvious my excuse is exhaustion, and I'll accept any plea offer that includes bed rest.


The information you've provided is extremely thin. However, a few things seem clear:

You have two opponents.

When the betting is completed you'll be drawing for the third and last time.

At present the pot contains somewhere around six (6) big bets, and it's two bets to you. As such, even if it gets capped (which seems unlikely) you'll need to win the hand roughly one time in three if we ignore river betting.

The potential for some of your outs to be unavailable works to your detriment.

Your implied odds work to your benefit.

Problem #1: With 3 threes, 1 deuce, 1 four, and 1 seven accounted for, your opponents extremely likely to have several of your outs in their hands. In fact, they could easily have as many as half of your outs. And if either raps pat on the upcoming draw they could even have more than this (though it's unlikely).

Interestingly, you'd actually prefer for your opponents to have a good draw as opposed to a mediocre made hand since their good draw can't possibly be as good as yours AND if one or more of them were to make sevens (or even smooth eights) you figure to win numerous bets on the river.

Problem #2: Since you're OOP, if you catch either an eight or a nine on the upcoming draw, though you're almost certain to be the favorite to win the pot, you're absolutely certain to lose money on the river betting.

Not knowing how many cards your two opponents took on the second draw is a severe impediment, but based on what I do know this looks like an easy fold.

I can't see how you win this pot more than 20% of the time. As such, even if you were given the option of declaring yourself all-in should you make anything other than a seven, your EV would be only slightly positive. And since no such option will be offered, thus opening the door for you to go off for multiple bets on the river, this is one of those times when you'll win very few of the big pots, but lose plenty of them.

+1

Though "quite a bit" may be more accurate than "somewhat".