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Old 06-12-2012, 01:02 PM   #1
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2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

Sat down probably 1 orbit ago, but my immediate read was this guy wasn't an idiot, or a loose-passive.



Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 5 players
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Pre Draw: (1.4 SB) Hero is BTN with K 9 4 3 2
UTG folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls

First Draw: (7.4 SB) (2 players)
CO draws 3, Hero draws 2
Hand: J 6 4 3 2
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls

Second Draw: (4.7 BB) (2 players)
CO draws 2, Hero draws 1
Hand: 6 5 4 3 2
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls

Third Draw: (6.7 BB) (2 players)
CO draws 2, Hero draws 1
Hand: 6 5 4 3 2
CO checks



Good spot to bluff, or doesn't come off enough given he drew 2, indicating a mindset looking for any excuse to look me up really light?
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:07 PM   #2
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

obvious bluff, even if he's gonna call 55+ he still folds all high pairs, 2pair trips etc. some people will also only call like A+. i think a pair of 7's would be close.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:25 PM   #3
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

People fold loads in this spot. Easy bet regardless.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:33 PM   #4
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

Well, once villain draws two on the river why not just pat and snow?
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:07 AM   #5
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

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Well, once villain draws two on the river why not just pat and snow?
I feel like my draw is too good for this. I know it's a straight draw, but it's to the nuts, I beat any hand when we catch the same card and it's not a 6 (of which there is at worst only 3 left), and I'd like to get a value-bet in on the river, and I can probably do that with J+, probably even Q+.

Actually, there's a question: how wide do we VB this vs an "unknown", where obv the unknown is a player who will draw 2 on the last draw?
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:57 AM   #6
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

I think we always draw because people fold to a bet alot if we make a straight and small pairs are often good vs 2 card draws anyway. And we hit very good to get more bets in often as well.
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Old 06-17-2012, 06:52 PM   #7
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Actually, there's a question: how wide do we VB this vs an "unknown", where obv the unknown is a player who will draw 2 on the last draw?
stick to the basics and not vbet wider cause he may be the check 9 oop type so what u usually do against 1cds
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:39 PM   #8
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

Happily bet, I'd typically vbet a bit more than normal, but not go crazy because I'm probably not folding to a c/r vs. an unknown drawing 2. Definitely in the no snow camp too as our hand has quite a bit of value for drawing and we might be able to get in multiple bets with #1/#5.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:40 PM   #9
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

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stick to the basics and not vbet wider cause he may be the check 9 oop type so what u usually do against 1cds
This is not good unless you know something about how villain plays after 2CDs (e.g. folds to a bet much too often).

Edit: oh and as to the OP, yes, bluff.
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Old 06-18-2012, 04:21 AM   #10
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

do u mean u bet Q,K against unknowns?

basics=J+
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:11 AM   #11
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

Dunno why you 3bet pre if you didn't think he was an idiot.

Really obvious bluff on the end, he'll fold plenty more than 1 in 6.7 times. If not adjust by valuebetting a Qx not by not bluffing this hand.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:47 PM   #12
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

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Dunno why you 3bet pre if you didn't think he was an idiot.
I'm having a mental blank as to who's post it was about this line (I remember they play ~100/200, but I don't think they've posted in a while), but it was basically '3-bet OTB w/ (premium?) 2cs vs a CO open'.

I have been experimenting with it a bit, and think it is especially great for your table image at micro/small stakes, because I don't think players comprehend that you are doing it in specific circumstances with specific hands, and they won't make any adjustments to their play even if they do notice it's only OTB.

It's also a bit gamble-y, and I kinda like that...

EDIT: Searched the BBV thread, I was thinking of Stryd0r. Can't be 100% sure that was who said it though.

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Old 06-18-2012, 05:47 PM   #13
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

3-betting 2 card draws on the button is not a bad play IMO. I prefer to call myself.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:33 PM   #14
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Re: 2-7TD - Should we try and bluff the river vs an unknown?

its the old call to bring in the bb/sb with worse draws or 3bet to get it hu.

since u dont call with crap draws there why should u be worried to take it multiway?
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