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Old 08-03-2012, 01:02 PM   #1
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2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

MP is pretty fishy. Tends to play medium passive and somewhat properly for a while, then if they get drawn out on a couple of times, go spaz-nuts and give away all their cash. Was still in medium passive mode when this hand took place though.



Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 6 players
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with Q 6 5 3 2
UTG folds, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, MP calls

First Draw: (7.5 SB) (2 players)
MP draws 2, Hero draws 1
Hand: 9 6 5 3 2
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls

Second Draw: (4.75 BB) (2 players)
MP draws 2, Hero stands pat
Hand: 9 6 5 3 2
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls

Third Draw: (6.75 BB) (2 players)
MP stands pat, Hero stands pat
Hand: 9 6 5 3 2
MP checks



Patting the 9 OTF is correct w/ a straight draw vs someone drawing 2? Or the draw is too good?

And do we bet river here? Fold if we get raised?
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:16 PM   #2
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I would check the riiver but it is really close imo. I like your pat versus the draw 2 and I would pat versus draw 1 also, not sure if this is correct though.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:23 PM   #3
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

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I would check the riiver but it is really close imo. I like your pat versus the draw 2 and I would pat versus draw 1 also, not sure if this is correct though.
Patting the second draw w/ a 96532 vs a 1c isn't right, you're giving up your chance to VB the river w/ an 86532 or 76532 (and that's a big-bet you miss), and you'll get chased down too often (more than 50% I think but not totally sure that's the number).
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:42 PM   #4
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

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Patting the second draw w/ a 96532 vs a 1c isn't right, you're giving up your chance to VB the river w/ an 86532 or 76532 (and that's a big-bet you miss), and you'll get chased down too often (more than 50% I think but not totally sure that's the number).
No, just no. Breaking is horrible. Never ever do it. You lose 8-14% equity if you break. It's about as bad as not patting a T on the last draw.

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Old 08-03-2012, 02:05 PM   #5
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

Not sure about patting it vs a 1cd; it looks close. You seem to have better equity by about 5% by patting. pot is 6.75BB so thats a .05*6.75= .33 BB increase in EV.
Its really tough to evaluate the ev of river decisions when we break because we could get bluffed/ we could bluff etc. where as its less likely villain leads as a bluff into us when we pat. However when still drawing our exchange with villain in a battle of bluffing and value betting, we certainly should come out on top given we have position.

Will that exchange result in an increase of > 0.33BB on just the river?

Not sure its close; if I had to guess probably not.

Id pat vs 1cd as well.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:31 PM   #6
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

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No, just no. Breaking is horrible. Never ever do it. You lose 8-14% equity if you break. It's about as bad as not patting a T on the last draw.
Guess I've been flushing equity down the toilet for quite a while then... Better to post and be told you're wrong than never to post at all!

So, what hands do we break the 9 off OTF vs someone drawing 1 in front of us? Any?
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:20 PM   #7
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

standard hand and id bet against people i play against, not sure its gonna be good at 1/2 tho.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:26 PM   #8
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

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So, what hands do we break the 9 off OTF vs someone drawing 1 in front of us? Any?
Any non-straight draw that doesn't suck. 97432 would actually lose equity by patting in many cases if it weren't for the option of breaking it ott. 98763 on the other hand... we have at least 50% equity if villain won't pat turn with non-straight-draw nines. And even if he does, we still gain some equity by patting.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:17 PM   #9
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

I think I bet river and make a note no matter what happens.
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:22 PM   #10
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

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standard hand and id bet against people i play against, not sure its gonna be good at 1/2 tho.
I think it's a pretty thin bet at 1/2. I don't mind either decision with no reads. It really depends if he calls with tens here or not. At 1/2 some will, but a lot won't.

Bjornar's suggestion is good, esp because I never took great notes.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:36 PM   #11
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Re: 2-7TD - Patting a 96532 OTF vs a villain who's gone 2-2

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I would check the riiver but it is really close imo. I like your pat versus the draw 2 and I would pat versus draw 1 also, not sure if this is correct though.
Totally agree with this. Expect to lose on the river 55% or so.
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