Villain seemed fairly standard, a bit of a clue but not too much.



Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 6 players
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with K 9 5 4 2
Hero raises, MP folds, CO 3-bets, BTN folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls

First Draw: (7.5 SB) (2 players)
Hero draws 2, CO draws 2
Hand: 8 5 4 3 2
Hero bets, CO calls

Second Draw: (4.75 BB) (2 players)
Hero stands pat, CO draws 1
Hand: 8 5 4 3 2
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls

Third Draw: (10.75 BB) (2 players)
Hero stands pat, CO stands pat
Hand: 8 5 4 3 2



His k/r of my pat indicates a certain level of strength, but when he flats the 3b it puts a cap on that strength which I think #5 probably has dead (I have seen anything up to #2 played this cautiously, but not often).

However if I check the river it makes my hand look weak, and I think he'll bet 875s-86432 (I would!), and probably call a k/r given he doesn't seem super confident at the game to be b/fing ever.

Better just to bet and take the almost guaranteed 1BB?

I probably just bet it. Exception is if you have a read he is aggro on the river, and it sounds like you don't have that here. Ime, "fancy" plays like this blow up in my face more often than not.

So you would be trying to sell him on a failed 3 bet break play when you check the river, right? If he is able to appreciate that (and not be worried about cr) than I think he might also be able to b/f. Getting 3b is a disaster as well. I would just take the sure money and bet it as I think a lot of players make their decision where they are at when they just call the turn, regardless if you check river.

Oh and to add to Joe's, "they've made up their mind on the turn" thought. The k/r move is also worthless if your villain ever uses checkboxes, because he will always have the "check/call any" box checked. This isn't applicable to a huge sample of villains, but it's another thing to keep in mind. I sometimes used it in spots like this (bad habit).

just bet imo.

I've seen the nuts and 2nd nuts played like this, where villain raises my river bet. I'd still just bet the river though (and if he is slow-playing a monster, putting in two bets is better than three). Of course most of the time you'll win.

Well I genuinely didn't do this on purpose but I saw the guy sitting at another table later (after I'd posted but just before bed) and his note (which I now remember making very early in the session) said "Agro. K/r my pat pre OTT after going 2->1 w/"... which unfortunately is as far as I got with that note before getting distracted by a hand, and then I forgot what hand he had by the time I got back to it but I remember was a bad hand that he k/r my pat pre with.

So villain is agro.

I bet the river. Most people will give up here but will also autocall a river bet.

Whats your play if he raises you here if you bet?

Also, on a side note, what does K/r stand for? Thanks.

I'll call but I'll know I'm beat.

K/r is short for check/raise.

Not sure where the K came from, but c/r or x/r is short for check/raise. Anyway, most people will check behind the vast majority of their hands if you check, takes a special kind of person/dynamic to pull off a c/r here.

Been awhile since you read "Mathematics of Poker", Vince?

This was a recent post by co-author Jerrod in the "Ask me anything about poker game theory thread".

Personally I have seen all 3 used. I tend to use c/r, even though thats the worst one to use, since c written alone can either be check or call.

Yeah I used to use x/r or x/c because I didn't like the fact that check and call used the same letter, but saw someone use k recently and liked it better because check actually has the letter k in it.

No one ever asked for an explanation when I used x so maybe that is best. But I'm going to continue using k


Back to the hand, and FTR I bet river and he called with an 86. I just thought his play in the hand so firmly put him on an 86-875 range, that if I was in their shoes I would probably bet if checked to on the end there with all 86s, maybe even 874.

My thinking (as the in-position player) would be I'm ahead of villains 2->pat range, and they were 3-betting the turn for value with worse because sometimes I can raise with a draw or bad pat trying to get them to break (I've definitely seen this from spazzy agros).

surely even bad regs recognise that a 3b/c/r is a strong hand and find a b/f otr if they even bet 87's?

also, you may want to rethink the whole betting river after a 3b with the bottom of your range.

People use "k" for "check" so they don't confuse it with "call", so then they write out a betting pattern like "k, k, k, b, c, r, f, c, c"