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12-17-2016 , 11:41 PM

zoogenhiem

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First hand of a 5 person $10 8game home game, pretty meaninglessly deep but so we can treat this hand like it's a cash game.

Button open limps, sb limps. I check 832xx in the bb. Sb draws 1, I draw 2, button draws 3.

I make a 98732. Sb bets. I feel like I could do anything here. Fold, call, raise. Pat, draw 1, draw 2. So what is best?

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12-18-2016 , 12:01 AM

steveistheman84

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i'd start by raising, then call if sb 3bets looking to pat/bet if he draws 1 and checks?
if he is pat, i'd draw 1?

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12-18-2016 , 12:06 AM

steveistheman84

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sorry, i misread the post. i was assuming a btn open and sb coldcall. hopefully i'm not too far off in that scenario.

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12-18-2016 , 12:29 AM

zoogenhiem

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Yeah it was limped predraw. So that caps sb's range but then again he is limp-happy so could have some strong hands in his range not as traps, but because he doesn't realize they're strong.

If I raise, button is most likely folding. Button likely calls if I call. With the sb leading out, I expect he wants to go to the river regardless of if he's pat or not, so don't have fold equity on later streets. I don't know my 2-7 equities too well, so I wasn't sure if a 987 would be ahead of a draw 1 twice and I knew an 87 draw was not doing well vs a pat hand, could be dead or drawing thin.

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12-18-2016 , 12:59 AM

zoogenhiem

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Here's another good one. Three handed 25BB deep, winner take all so no ICM.

Button limps, I raise sb with 732xx, bb folds, button calls. I draw 2, button draws 2.

I make a T8732, I check to button since he often checks back when checked to planning to toss the T, but button bets, and I do ???

Raise and pat? Call and pat? Call and draw 1 or 2?

Last edited by zoogenhiem; 12-18-2016 at 01:07 AM.

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12-18-2016 , 02:06 AM

steveistheman84

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pretty sure patting a t is pretty bad regardless of what villain does. not sure if it's a c/c or a donk. i don't really have any experience in this game tho, so don't think i know what i'm talking about.

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12-18-2016 , 12:10 PM

DeathDonkey

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Hand 1 raise preflop and would follow the advice given, raise and pat if he draws.
Hand 2 i don't get it, the draw went 2:2, you improved and you check and dont have a plan for if he bets? I would have bet.

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12-18-2016 , 01:00 PM

zoogenhiem

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I think I recalled the second hand wrong. He actually only drew one in position after limp/calling pre?

What's your reasoning for raising pre in the first hand? I have a draw two to an 8. Seems likens should be happy to get in for cheap.

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12-18-2016 , 05:19 PM

Tapirboy

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First hand is such an easy fold. players who limp and draw 1 mostly don't bet the second round just because they're a card ahead. And even if he does you're even against any draw and way behind against any pat. The reason you kept this pot small is so you could get out of it easily. Nines and 87 draws are big RIO hands and you've got both in a tiny pot.

Hand 2, just call and draw 1.

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12-18-2016 , 05:52 PM

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Kyle42

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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem

987 3way is an equity dog. Even HU it's very marginal. If you know that SB bets here unimproved then it might be good, because he mostly has a rough draw, like 3457, 4568....But most of these weak player who limps their 1card are not betting always unimproved here. I think drawing to 8732 is better here

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12-18-2016 , 05:54 PM

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Kyle42

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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem

Never ever keep a T after the first draw, when you have a smooth draw. Only exception is when you have like T7654, and you are in position against lets say the bb, who drew 3 (or 2) cards.

I would bet/draw 1 with that hand, if he drew 2cards. If only 1, then i would check/call/draw 1

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12-18-2016 , 11:18 PM

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DeathDonkey

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Originally Posted by zoogenhiem

You have a very solid hand, it's not a monster but it's fine. Your opponents are bad and presumably also play bad hands. For example if they raise on the button and draw two and have 257 but limp on the button and draw two with 468 you are printing money preflop. If they are simply too passive and limp hands they should raise you are flipping coins. It's basically a freeroll to raise preflop and punish their weak hands while splitting equity pretty fairly with their legit hands. The only way it's bad is if they are limping in with hands like 2467 or pats intending to "trap"

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12-18-2016 , 11:56 PM

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zoogenhiem

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Thanks everyone for your advice. This is why the Draw Poker forum is so great. I get these top players chiming in on my butchered $10 home game hands.

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