Not a lot of playing time, but they seem quite awful. Limping hands pre were the worst transgressions I saw, but I don't think they'd gotten to any showdowns yet without legit hands, but the might have been playing trash too.



Poker Stars $1/$2 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 4 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with T 9 8 2 2
CO folds, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero checks

First Draw: (2 SB) (2 players)
SB draws 3, Hero draws 3
Hand: 8 8 3 2 2
SB bets, Hero calls

Second Draw: (2 BB) (2 players)
SB draws 2, Hero draws 2
Hand: J 8 5 3 2
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls

Third Draw: (4 BB) (2 players)
SB draws 2



So do we take the raw equity of the J8 vs a 2 draw, or try and get the extra value OTR that drawing 1 might bring?

Hmm, as I type, I'm realising I can probably VB the river with the J too, and they'll probably call with just as many bluff-catchers as if I draw and hit the same or better. Is this the right logic?

Break. You will make the same hand or better about 70% of the time. And can value bet rivers on many occasions. And even if you dont make a J its not to say you lose the pot occasionally a Q K A will be good enough to hero call with or go check check OTR

One benefit of patting is that on last draw he wont keep a J T or possibly a 9 to draw 1 to; so his actual equity will be lower than it could be. That being said, if he has 732 for example; he will make a 9 or better 42% of time so we def want to break and draw.

Less than 50% of the time.

Pat. You lose 10% equity if you break.

But it's the last draw and villain already drew 2 in front of us...

Ohh excuse me, I misread HH and thought he was asking if he should pat the J with 2 draws left.

Last draw with villain drawing 2; of course pat.

People that draw 2 on river love to bluff catch, probably correctly, since draw 1 will usually bluff too much in my experience. I would value bet q and k most likely. I would love to see a breakdown of the percentages that river draw 2 makes what hands. I might work on that later when i get home.

OK, pat, but do we then try and VB the J8?

I don't think it's an obvious pat. The pot's pretty small, you likely have a lot of implied odds against someone who will draw 2 here, and you have blockers against pairing.

If you pat, whether you can valuebet or not depends on villain's calling range, which can vary a lot. Use your reads. It's usually a check back.

Gus,I dont think there would be any reason to do that. I was saying that if you were to draw that I think you could v bet river Q or K possibly. Im not too sure though. But given the equity calculations from others that you are 10 percent favorite the point doesnt matter in this hand I guess.

i dont think you can make up the equity loss in IO here, esp because i wouldnt expect people to donk or c/r light (97-98's) so its not like we can even expect to 3b all our 8's. i think the best play is tank pat/snapbet to rep the snow

Pat. And usually I'm checking this.

Journeyman has a good plan. I pat and bet but not with a tank. Hm.

i doubt he is calling kqa here

Well obviously we don't want to get too results oriented, but I did break and he wound up calling the river w/ 44xxx. My thought was that breaking would make him play the river worse, and it seemed to have worked out that way, but maybe he calls w/ 44 anyway...

So I agree we shouldn't break as a default, but armed with this info, vs this player in the future, are we definitely better off patting here in a 4BB pot?

The call with 44 was by far the best play he made in this hand, it might even be GTO...

Not really, at least for the GTO part. It may have been the best play he made for the hand; I'm not really sure about that. What I can confidently say is villain played the hand like ****.

pokenum -l27 2s 4s 7h 4c 5d - 8c 5s 3h 2d / ts 9c 2h 2c 8h jc as ks ad qd 3c
5-card Draw 2-7 Lowball: 32 enumerated outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
4s 2s 4c 5d 7h 4 12.50 28 87.50 0 0.00 0.125
5s 8c 2d 3h 28 87.50 4 12.50 0 0.00 0.875

And gus, I highly doubt he calls with 44 if you pat with the Jack. Considering his calling range apparently includes 44, wp.