Hijack opens for a raise. Cutoff calls. Hero holds Q8732 on the button and 3 bets. Small blind folds. Big blind calls. Hijack calls. Cutoff Calls. Big blind draws 2. Hijack draws 1. Cutoff draws 2. Hero draws 1 or 2?
Well obviously there's a greater chance of making an 87 low if you only draw 1 vs. making a 7 low if you draw 2. That's not my question. The dilemma is that with 4 (or 5) way action, the chances that an 87 low being the best hand at showdown are not that great compared to having the best hand if you make a 7 low.
Of course with multi way action there are less outs left to make a hand as well. Is there anybody that would draw 2 in this spot?
My thoughts as a very much learning player: I doubt an 87 is going to be good at showdown, so drawing 2 with such a smooth 7 draw. And with so many other players, it's doubtful we could draw 1 and then cbet so might as well maximize our chances of winning at showdown by drawing 2.
If your 8 draw is better than LJs, you have a ton of equity. Plus the opportunity to get rid of players by raising LJ in the hand. If you really think it's going to be 4 handed on the river i'd draw to 7, if you think players will be foldy along the way, I'd draw one.
Not that you are missing lots of outs and it will be difficult to improve, expect a 9 to win a fair share of times too.
Draw 1 - your draw is quite good, your opponents will be blocking some of each others outs (and your outs to make a 7) and hijack probaly doesnt have a very strong 1cd draw as he didnt repop, plus you're in position so can navigate any dicey situations you might get in later optimally.
Significant that HJ didn't jam pre. Having position on the cold-calling blind and seeing CO cold call, him not jamming makes his D1 range heavy in 8 draws. There are more 8 draws better than 8732 than there are worse 87 draws, so you have RIO to consider if you draw 1. Re-raising pre depends on how the blinds defend, if they defend a lot I probably flat planning to draw two to avoid exposing myself to a jam from HJ and playing a huge pot drawing to 87. If they're tight I'm more likely to reraise to get them out, making drawing decision in position.
Would be great if there was some type of good simulation for this type of situation. I completely get the fact that an 87 is not a great hand and RIO and all that but on flip side also can easily see how tough it is to collect 2/3 of the 4,5,6s with all of the low cards out. Going to be tough for anyone to make a strong hand.
what about jamming and drawing 2 if the action is capped and one of the blinds calls too otherwise sticking to the plan of drawing 1 vs position and 2 guys drawing 2?
spazz and draw 2 imo, if u get a 1card draw before the third draw there is going to be very little left of the deck making a 4outer 20% hitrate (for a 7low´, maybe 24-28% chance of hitting a 8 low) and that is enough equity 4ways imo especially if u r the lucky one drawing last of them all. But at the same time when u have position a 87 plays much easier if ur able to do good-breaks with marginal lows. U should add ur reads on the 3 villains to this post for example if one of these three opponents have went into multiways before without a 2 or raise UTG or MP with a 2card draw without a deuce are considered free money in this pot and they actually help you defend a 87 vs the other two with "normal" ranges.