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2-7 Triple Draw - can I get away from these huge pots? 2-7 Triple Draw - can I get away from these huge pots?

04-10-2016 , 01:02 PM
Just wondering if there's anywhere that I can fold in these hands. Players are all the same in both. I know that the player right behind me is super laggy.

Thanks.

Hand 1

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 6 players
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is MP with K Q 6 4 2
UTG raises, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG caps!, Hero calls, CO calls, BTN calls

First Draw: (17.5 SB) (4 players)
UTG draws 1, Hero draws 2, CO draws 2, BTN draws 2
Hand: T 9 6 4 2
UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls, BTN calls

Second Draw: (10.75 BB) (4 players)
UTG draws 1, Hero draws 2, CO draws 1, BTN draws 1
Hand: 8 6 4 4 2
UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls, BTN raises, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO folds

Third Draw: (17.75 BB) (3 players)
UTG draws 1, Hero draws 1, BTN stands pat
Hand: A 8 6 4 2
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets, UTG calls, Hero folds



Hand 2

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 6 players
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with K K 5 4 2
UTG raises, MP 3-bets, CO calls, BTN folds, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG caps!, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls

First Draw: (20 SB) (5 players)
SB draws 2, Hero draws 2, UTG draws 2, MP draws 2, CO draws 3
Hand: A 5 4 2 2
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls

Second Draw: (12.5 BB) (5 players)
SB draws 1, Hero draws 2, UTG draws 1, MP draws 1, CO draws 1
Hand: A 9 5 4 2
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP calls

Third Draw: (17.5 BB) (5 players)
SB draws 1, Hero draws 1, UTG draws 1, MP draws 1, CO stands pat
Hand: 9 9 5 4 2
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, MP folds, CO folds, SB calls, Hero folds
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04-10-2016 , 04:13 PM
Where do you want to fold? I dont see too much postdraw action in both hands
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04-10-2016 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Forrest Gump
Where do you want to fold? I dont see too much postdraw action in both hands
I think the closest spots are calling the cap pre in Hand 1, and the last calls in each hand.
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04-19-2016 , 02:43 PM
Hi! Totally new to 2-7, but I thought I'd throw my opinion in the mix. Lemme know what you think.

First hand I never plan on folding 642 for $0.40 after putting in $0.20 already in such a bloated pot. I've never actually folded pre-first draw after putting in $0.20, but I raise fairly tight. Maybe I would with 87/86? Rest of the hand seems fine.

Second hand looks good up to the second draw. Seems pretty spewy to draw to a 9 5-ways? Also drawing two doesn't seem good at all. I'd be folding here.
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04-19-2016 , 08:04 PM
Hand 1: Against BTNs that you have enough hands on to know that this is always a 7, you can find a fold, but the super LAG UTG in this hand complicates things. I think you will still find some players who will just flat out only raise 7s in that spot, and won't be thinking about how good of a spot that is to raise a lot worse.

Hand 2: I fold after the second draw. Playing a 9 OTR (assuming you make it) against so many villains sucks, and you will often be putting bets in bad.

This might be wrong though, as your immediate odds are big, and CO doesn't have to have you drawing dead (although it's quite possible, even probable, they do).

Final thought on Hand 2; if it get's checked around after the second draw, do we draw 2 at the 542, or 1 at the 9542? Does this change depending on position/number of villains?
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04-19-2016 , 11:54 PM
You're still here Gus? Haven't seen you for a while.

I agree with everything you said, and Macdad too. I had made a few "bad" folds earlier and was starting to get stubborn.

I now think calling and drawing at the 9542 is definitely spew, but probably ok if it was CO who bet because he might be betting unimproved. If given a free shot I'd definitely draw at the 9. Those big multiway 1-1-1-1 type hands always seem to someone to go to whoever catches the best brick.
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04-20-2016 , 10:02 AM
Ok misread my own hand history. CO did bet, so I think it's closer but probably still a fold because he probably rarely bets unimproved there with that many people drawing 1. Forget everything I said in my above post.
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04-20-2016 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Small Balls
You're still here Gus? Haven't seen you for a while.
I try and keep an eye on DOP 2-7 discussions, and get my 2c in where I can

Still love poker, just not much time to play/study these days...
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04-21-2016 , 03:49 PM
Is cold calling 642 vs. an UTG raise standard? I tend to think of 642 as really flawed relative to ranges there but maybe I'm wrong.
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04-21-2016 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AKQJ10
Is cold calling 642 vs. an UTG raise standard? I tend to think of 642 as really flawed relative to ranges there but maybe I'm wrong.
It is standard, although anecdotally I feel like I get owned whenever I start with 6w2 that's not 632... In this pot, even more standard because UTG is laggy.
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04-21-2016 , 10:57 PM
It's CO that's super laggy though. Doesn't that make it closer to a fold?
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04-22-2016 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Small Balls
It's CO that's super laggy though. Doesn't that make it closer to a fold?
Ah, in the OP it said "right behind", I thought that meant to your left, not your right. Looking at the HHs now, I see that the player to your right is indeed the LAG.

Still probably not a fold though.
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04-22-2016 , 09:02 AM
Are you sure you have your left and rights right there Gus?
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04-25-2016 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Small Balls
Are you sure you have your left and rights right there Gus?
I don't know what's going on any more. The more I look at the HHs, the more confusing it is. Here's how I arrived at my previous ratings:

CO in the 1st hand 3! a 2c draw after an UTG raise and a cold-call, so that's pretty laggy, but rest of the hand it's UTG that's playing it agro.

CO from hand 1 is UTG for hand 2, and raise/caps with a 2c this time, pretty laggy, but rest of hand no-one really gets out of line.
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04-25-2016 , 08:18 AM
Ah I see. Thought maybe you play counterclockwise in Australia
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