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Old 06-11-2012, 12:31 AM   #1
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2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

I don't know how to use hand history converters, so I'll do the best I can do describe the hand clearly.

I'm playing heads up, and I'm the BB.
SB raises, I 3bet with 368xx, he calls.
I draw 2, he draws 3. I now have 3678J
I bet, he calls. We both draw 1.
I get another Jack, so my hand again is 3678J.
I bet, and he calls.

With this information, should I stand pat or discard the Jack and why?

Any input is appreciated as I am new to triple draw. Thanks!
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:31 AM   #2
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

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I don't know how to use hand history converters
Go to http://www.handconverter.com/.

At the top left where it says "Output Format", choose "Two Plus Two Forums".

Paste your raw hand-history (from Stars only I think, but not too many sites have TD, so hopefully that's where it's from) into the box "Hand History Here".

Of the other options, select "Use position aliases" and "Hide results", then scroll down to the bottom of the page and push the button labelled "Convert".

Sometimes it doesn't happen straight away, but if it hasn't put anything in the "Output" box after about 5 seconds, try pushing the button again. If nothing at all happens and you've definitely done everything correctly, it's usually a server side error, and you might have to refresh the page, or come back to it later.

If it has put something in the Output box, cut and paste that into a forum post, and try and provide any reads you might have, and what decision/s you are struggling with in the hand (you seem to have grasped this bit ).

Hope that helps.

As for the hand, was it a cash game or tournament? For what stakes? Did you have any reads (aggressiveness, looseness etc)? This is a difficult spot when you are out of position and have to make your drawing decision first.

I'm guessing the right thing to do is to pat the jack and check/fold the river. Maybe not in HUHU situation though.
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Old 06-11-2012, 02:27 AM   #3
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

Thanks for your help with the Hand History Converter!
It was 3/6 cash on Stars. I didn't really have a read on the guy other than he seemed competent and was better than I was. But as far as aggression or looseness go, I'm too new to Triple Draw to have a good read on this.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:35 AM   #4
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

you should know what you're doing before you bet the turn. if the bet is good, then you pat, if its not (which is likely) you still probably have to pat but patting isnt generally going to work out very well.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:42 AM   #5
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

Journeyman I don't understand what you are saying when you say if the bet is good. Can you elaborate on that?
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:54 AM   #6
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

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Journeyman I don't understand what you are saying when you say if the bet is good. Can you elaborate on that?
I think he's saying maybe you should x/c or x/f the turn instead of bet with that hand after the draw goes 1:1.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:06 AM   #7
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

ya there are some people against whom the bet is ok/good, but that is definitely the exception imo.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:23 AM   #8
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

What alternative line do you recommend? Check call or check fold? And if I check/call, do I discard the Jack?
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:55 AM   #9
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

c/c draw
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:09 AM   #10
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

I flat pre, bet flop, check-call-draw turn.
I tend to draw if check-check turn but could be wrong. My hand is pretty face up if check-check pat here I feel but might not matter? This is the spot where I think I make the most mistakes btw.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:16 PM   #11
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I don't understand the HH. Doesn't hero have position if he's BB vs SB? Why is hero drawing and betting first?
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:26 PM   #12
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

It's HU. (Also c/c draw turn)
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:28 PM   #13
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Re: 2-7 TD Pat or Draw?

I personally think that betting the turn has done you in. If you check the turn, and he leads you can easily call and draw 1. Because you bet the turn, and he calls...now you're forced to play the guessing game. If you pat your Jack and he had called behind with a rough 9 or any ten, he may be inclined to pat behind you with a hand that has decent showdown value in a HU situation. Whereas, if it goes check, check on the turn...then you can pat, lead assuming that he will likely draw.

Anyone think differently?
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Old 06-14-2012, 01:14 AM   #14
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then you can pat, lead assuming that he will likely draw.

Anyone think differently?
How can you lead the river with the jack? What calls that you have beat? What if your weak line induces a bluff-raise; are you going to call the raise?
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Old 06-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #15
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How can you lead the river with the jack? What calls that you have beat? What if your weak line induces a bluff-raise; are you going to call the raise?
IMO this is a situation in which your check on the turn could appear to be an attempted check-raise when you pat the final draw. As the Jack is such a weak hand, I'm not happy with checking once the opponent in position draws. If you check and he checks back...he could show up with a stronger Jack or a weak Ten that he would likely fold to a pat-bet.

As far as the induced bluff-raise...that's a good point. He could indeed attempt a bluff-raise. However, if you've been playing with this player for any decent amount of time you should have a decent read in order to re-bluff or call off with the Jack. (This would be difficult indeed, but not impossible)
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