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Old 08-11-2012, 07:27 PM   #1
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2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Badugi - 8 players - View hand 1851789
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG+1 with A 9 7 6
UTG calls, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO 3-bets, BTN caps!, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls

First Draw: (17.5 SB) (4 players)
UTG draws 1, Hero stands pat, CO draws 2, BTN stands pat
Hand: A 9 7 6
UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, CO calls, BTN 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero calls, CO calls

Second Draw: (13.75 BB) (3 players)
Hero stands pat, CO draws 1, BTN stands pat
Hand: A 9 7 6
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets, Hero calls, CO raises, BTN calls, Hero ?

The guy who 3-bet pre and drew two was steaming a bit in chat after the last hand when he lost out in another big pot. I don't know if I can totally trust him when he raises the turn. Of course I might be dead to the button's pat hand anyway, and I expect to be in third place a lot, but the pot is getting kind of huge. Hang on grimly or abandon ship?
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Old 08-12-2012, 06:34 AM   #2
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Re: 2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

You need to be good 8.8% of the time if you call two bets. You have that much against BTN if he plays all nines and some tens like this. If your read is that CO will raise any badugi, you don't need BTN's range to be much wider (but it's insanely wide in the first place...).

Break > fold.
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:14 AM   #3
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Re: 2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

I would call flop and try to get to showdown. As played I have no idea. Fold I guess?
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:53 PM   #4
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Re: 2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

Crappy situation. I guess I'd just throw in a call and make CO and Button pat behind me. If they both pat behind and CO bets & button call, a fold might be possible, but I call anyways. I don't think there is really anything wrong with folding or breaking the turn though. Our 76 isn't very exciting to break a 9 to draw to but may be possible here. Not sure, weird spot.
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Old 08-12-2012, 08:27 PM   #5
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Re: 2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

Any reads on button? Button needs to be pretty spewtastic to be ahead of him. Problem is, you're good vs. CO here a lot, he's totally steaming. And another problem is, this is likely going to be a 4-bet street. If Button is also lagtard with predraw pats, call down, o/w fold.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:26 AM   #6
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Re: 2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

First I would never ever break this hand. Ever. In any situation. If I'm *that* sure my nine is dead, a rough seven probably isn't going to be much good either so I should just fold. A nut nine would be a break here I think.

Bjornar: I check-raised the flop to make CO have to call two bets cold (button is pretty much compelled to bet). I do think I CR in these spots too often and I maybe should have bet the flop directly. I wouldn't check-call here though - pat 97 is too good for that I think.

I'd say button is a good aggro-ish (but not spewy) reg. I'd hazard a guess that he has me beat two-thirds of the time. That means I need to have CO beat just over a quarter. Hmmm. The thing is CO might be steaming but that doesn't mean he's stupid, and he must realize that he'll almost certainly have to show down the best hand to win here.

Thanks for the replies.
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Old 08-13-2012, 02:29 AM   #7
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Tringlomane: I'm closing the action so don't have to worry about more bets going in on this street.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:03 AM   #8
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First I would never ever break this hand. Ever. In any situation. If I'm *that* sure my nine is dead, a rough seven probably isn't going to be much good either so I should just fold. A nut nine would be a break here I think.
Your main threat is a predraw badugi. A 76 is... about 3.5 times as strong as a 976 against one of those. I'm not kidding.

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I'd say button is a good aggro-ish (but not spewy) reg. I'd hazard a guess that he has me beat two-thirds of the time.
Meaning you think his range is any T6 or better. Or that he breaks some of the stronger draws and keeps some T7's.
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Old 08-13-2012, 06:36 AM   #9
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Your main threat is a predraw badugi.
I think they're both major threats. If CO wasn't a factor I'd simply call the button down hoping my nine was good.

I kind of see where you're coming from. If button had a monster he'd probably cap the turn, so a 76 would probably beat him. But CO drew 2, then 1, so if he's got a hand it's likely to be strong and smooth even if he is on tilt. He might have a seven or better nearly half the time, so on average if I break I'm drawing to a two-outer which would be crazy.

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Meaning you think his range is any T6 or better. Or that he breaks some of the stronger draws and keeps some T7's.
I'm not sure his range is linear. He could even be trying something with a king.

Last edited by tasman; 08-13-2012 at 06:40 AM. Reason: Added the bit about button's range
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Old 08-13-2012, 08:14 AM   #10
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I'm not sure his range is linear. He could even be trying something with a king.
You said he wasn't spewy. He isn't getting involved in a 4-way pot with a king in the first place.
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Old 08-13-2012, 03:44 PM   #11
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Re: 2/4 badugi: can anyone find a fold in this big pot?

Yep, good point.
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Old 08-13-2012, 04:58 PM   #12
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Oh I did misread the action, god, I'm so bad for that on here. Since you're now closing this street, I probably cry-call this down and make a note of the result. I think you have roughly the 9% equity you need for a calldown, particularly since CO had been steaming a bit.
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:52 AM   #13
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cry-call this down
That's what I did. As it happened I wasn't with cooee of either of their hands so maybe I just got a bit results-oriented by thinking I perhaps should have folded. Thanks for all the replies - much appreciated.
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