Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
PokerStars Limit Triple Draw $1/$2 - 5 players

CO: $41.66
Button: $58.38 (Hero)
SB: $30.51
BB: $124.00
UTG: $30.34

Dealing Hands: ($1.50) (5 players)
UTG folds, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, CO calls $1

First Draw: ($7.50) (2 players)
CO discards 2, Hero discards 1,
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CO checks, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Second Draw: ($9.50) (2 players)
CO discards 1, Hero discards 1,
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CO checks, Hero bets $2, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $2

Third Draw: ($17.50) (2 players)
CO stands, Hero ?

Pat or break this? No real reads on villain. Anyone consider 3-betting the turn?

What hands/situations do you think it makes sense to check-raise in villain's spot? T8763 and similar rough hands? But then you'd need to balance it by check-raising strong hands too, and you don't really want a seven to get checked through.

Some players think I should bet 100% in my spot because I've got the betting lead, hence they check-raise with any pat hand, but I don't know if he's one of those people.

Im very much a beginner at 6max td so bare with me.

Im not sure i like the 3bet pre.
Many players i play hu will re-raise the turn with 97 96 even 10s type hands. But unless you have this read then i would just call.
Unless you think they will break then dont ever 3 bet.
You have to draw 1 on the river as your call of the re-raise seems super weak.
Re-evaluate after drawing 1 on river

I find myself in this dilemma a lot at 1/2. You know that what they are doing isn't right, but it can make reading their hand more difficult and you end up levelling yourself.

I used to break here but got shown worse too many times, so I've started patting. Now it feels like I get shown better all the time... I think you should have some sort of read here that can help, e.g. you can tell if someone's a LAG after an orbit or two usually, and that can help because if they aren't a LAG this k/r is much scarier.

You also have the option of calling, patting, and folding the river. I'd say most villains at 1/2 aren't creative/stubborn enough to think they you will fold to their river bet, so they tend to give up on most hands you beat once you pat behind (and the passive ones will give up on plenty of hands that have you beat).

If you're behind, I'm not sure an 865 is going to win the pot all that often anyway against the average holdings of a passive villain who k/raises, and a value raise in OTR is probably too thin even if you hit your gin card.

Pat/fold the river; you don't really need to worry about getting exploited at 1/2.

Breakable 98 I think I break.

Is this the best option we have with no reads. How much worse would drawing 1 and making the 86 be?

No idea TBH, I just come on and say what I'd do (and usually my reasoning for doing it), and then hopefully that sparks better players to correct me if I'm wrong. There's nothing like the shame of being publicly wrong to sear a lesson in your memory

But I will re-iterate, it's is unlikely you have no information to form a read unless this is literally the first orbit. Has their play seemed standard so far? Even that is a read.

I hadn't noticed him doing anything particularly out of line; he hadn't been ridiculously aggro or anything. If he was really aggro I think this would be an easy pat. But his CR changes my "read" doesn't it?

The more I think about it, the more I like the pat, fold river line. If I had 97xx2 or 984/985 a break would be better I think.

Is the CR in villain's spot something I should add to my arsenal? I mean some people bet close to 100% in hero's spot and I'll CR those players on occasions but what about CRing more standard players?

Maybe, I mean I guess they're not totally passive but I think there are a few passives who still think that you will bet 100% when they check to you even if it went 1:1 last draw, because you're a crazy LAG who bets card-ahead and raises 35% of hands dealt... But they will usually have a strong hand here when they do it. They just check with 87s assuming you will bet.

With a read of tightness, I'm actually thinking it might be more of a fold. Without the read, we pay 1BB of insurance to make sure they aren't spazzing out. You'll probably still lose sometimes when they k/r the turn, pat and then check river w/ an 87 when you pat behind. Then you know you should have broke, but it's too late. Hmmm...

I think I am twisting myself in knots here. Went back to the hand and looked again. Now I'm thinking with no read it's a break! Argh. Break and if they check the river and you make an 86 bet, otherwise just check. And fold to a bet w/ less than an 87.

It's so read dependent though. Against some guys I know this is a 7 always, against others it's much more possible that I'm behind but drawing live, and against the rest you might have the best hand. I feel like it's probably 60-30-10 though, which makes me want to fold... But it's a big pot!

Someone else chime in, I'm drowning here...


I think you just miss too much value. Like you say, do it to the guys who are betting 100% in that spot, and don't worry about the rest. I just concentrate on drawing correctly and then looking up an appropriate amount OTR if I think they will snow.

That said, I'm sure there must be some hands/spots where it would be better to k/r a standard TAG here. But I don't know what they are.

I think V should expect your bet to always be a pat. I very rarely see people betting in these even spots unimproved. I think it would be pretty suicidal of him to turn a T or J into a break play bluff oop. This is a standard break imo. If turn had went 2:1 I think you can probably call and pat.

the 1:1 x/r @ 1/2 is very often a J/T type of hand (idk why they do it) but i guess cause they are bad so im tempted to pat behind