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04-09-2014 , 07:16 PM
Don't know anything about UTG in this hand. I've played a little bit with BU and he seems ok.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 5 players
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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with Q T 7 6 2
UTG calls, Hero raises, BTN calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls

First Draw: (7.5 SB) (3 players)
UTG draws 2, Hero draws 2, BTN draws 2
Hand: T 7 6 4 2
UTG bets, Hero calls, BTN calls

Second Draw: (5.25 BB) (3 players)
UTG stands pat, Hero draws 1, BTN draws 1
Hand: 8 7 6 4 2
UTG bets, Hero raises, BTN calls, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, BTN calls

Third Draw: (14.25 BB) (3 players)
UTG stands pat, Hero draws 1, BTN draws 1
Hand: J 7 6 4 2
UTG bets all in, Hero folds, BTN calls

Final Pot: 14.85 BB
BTN shows 7 5 4 3 2 (Lo: 7,5,4,3,2)
UTG shows 9 7 6 4 3 (Lo: 9,7,6,4,3)
BTN wins 14.45 BB
(Rake: $0.40)

Preflop - standard

Flop - standard, although an argument could be made for raising, I like to call for balance

Turn - I think I'm slightly behind his range, but his limp tipped me towards raising. Plus, if I'm ahead, I get extra value from BU, and if I get BU to fold, I buy his equity as well.
After UTG 3-bets I think breaking is best.

River - considered calling getting 48 to 1 but decided not to with BU behind.

Ok as played?
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04-10-2014 , 04:09 AM
I like just calling the flop bet - with your strong draw, you actually want the third player in (who, most of the time, won't have a wheel draw).

On the turn I'm probably just calling with the intention of patting and getting to showdown. Don't hate raising though - now there's a lot of value in knocking out the third man. What I really don't like is breaking as a result of UTG's reraise. Often when people are this short they'll just get all their chips in as soon as they make any kind of hand. And he just limped in, so he's likely to have had a rough draw. If the aggression had come from the button instead, that would be a different matter, and I'd have to seriously consider breaking.

On the river, I mean UTG isn't snowing, is he? So even with those ridiculous odds I think you have to fold. Would call with a ten though.

It would probably better if you didn't show results. It's hard not to be swayed somewhat by the showdown.

Last edited by tasman; 04-10-2014 at 04:12 AM. Reason: Added bit about rough draw
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04-10-2014 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tasman
I like just calling the flop bet - with your strong draw, you actually want the third player in (who, most of the time, won't have a wheel draw).

On the turn I'm probably just calling with the intention of patting and getting to showdown. Don't hate raising though - now there's a lot of value in knocking out the third man. What I really don't like is breaking as a result of UTG's reraise. Often when people are this short they'll just get all their chips in as soon as they make any kind of hand. And he just limped in, so he's likely to have had a rough draw. If the aggression had come from the button instead, that would be a different matter, and I'd have to seriously consider breaking.

On the river, I mean UTG isn't snowing, is he? So even with those ridiculous odds I think you have to fold. Would call with a ten though.

It would probably better if you didn't show results. It's hard not to be swayed somewhat by the showdown.
Yeah good point about the short stack. I neglected to pay attention to that in this hand. And I'll hide the results next time.
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04-11-2014 , 03:01 AM
What a spot...

when button takes 2 to the chops cold it's hating life time...if you pat (given utg is short so pot is protected and btn can't bluff) are you planning to fold if btn bets?...if you break you are potentially drawing painfully thin..

Think I would pat and pray at this point; in the fact that utg doesn't really matter - if btn draws then we are ahead of him; if he pats then I think a fold is in order...
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04-14-2014 , 05:28 PM
predraw - fine
after 1st - i'd raise mostly to try to get it HU in position but for value too with are 1 card draw to #2
after 2nd - we hit a weak 8 and he stands pat. this is a classic way ahead/way behind scenario. no need to raise to define our hand. he will let us know after 3rd draw. i just call and stand.
after 3rd - easy fold at this point.
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04-15-2014 , 05:45 AM
i like the turn raise alot since ur really making it unprofitable for the 3rd player to draw
(despite having a wheel draw he only has 8 outs at best to make the wheel and many of his outs are probably in the other players hands-all this assuming that you or the other player dont have a wheel already) so i think he needs something like at least 8 to 1 odds to draw in that spot right?
On top of that,UTG's line from 2 to pat often indicates a rough hand so raise/calling the 3bet and patting w intention to check call seems fine especially ifhes an unknown and might be overplayin a good 9/weak 8
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04-16-2014 , 02:33 PM
Given that UTG has less than a full bet left, if we were to pat-calldown, we should instead 4b, and build a side pot.

Agree that breaking is bad after an UTG limper. Don't break 8s against bad players.
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04-18-2014 , 12:23 PM
Is the first round raise of a limper really standard in this game?
Two wheel cards, a 6, and two high cards, I'm not really loving hero's starting hand here.
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04-18-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Is the first round raise of a limper really standard in this game?
Two wheel cards, a 6, and two high cards, I'm not really loving hero's starting hand here.
It's standard. 762 is a good draw and I don't want to let the blinds in for cheap/free.
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04-19-2014 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Is the first round raise of a limper really standard in this game?
Two wheel cards, a 6, and two high cards, I'm not really loving hero's starting hand here.
What?
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04-28-2014 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Is the first round raise of a limper really standard in this game?
Two wheel cards, a 6, and two high cards, I'm not really loving hero's starting hand here.
Raising is better than limping. And raising someone w/a good three card who chose to limp UTG in this game just has to be someone who I'd want to play pots with, particularly heads up pots, hence the raise.

I don't mean this as condescending but just how much 2-7 TD do you play? I don't play this game nearly as much as some of the other draw games (or O8) but even I know that limping here is wrong/bad...and there are no "it depends". Good players just don't limp in from utg with good hands---wouldn't you want to raise this kind of player? Even for just that one reason? Or do you prefer playing "Go Fish" with more people?

Last edited by Rush17; 04-28-2014 at 07:18 AM.
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04-28-2014 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
Raising is better than limping. And raising someone w/a good three card who chose to limp UTG in this game just has to be someone who I'd want to play pots with, particularly heads up pots, hence the raise.

I don't mean this as condescending but just how much 2-7 TD do you play?
I've played very little, but enough to know that it seems very easy to make a very strong hand, leading me to not love any hands that don't start with a 7 and a 2. I didn't think this opening hand would be considered strong.

I still remember the first time I ever played it, in a friendly home game. The BB tried to muck, but it was an unraised pot so we told him not to. So he drew 5 cards, and after three draws he ended up with a #1!
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04-28-2014 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I've played very little, but enough to know that it seems very easy to make a very strong hand, leading me to not love any hands that don't start with a 7 and a 2. I didn't think this opening hand would be considered strong.

I still remember the first time I ever played it, in a friendly home game. The BB tried to muck, but it was an unraised pot so we told him not to. So he drew 5 cards, and after three draws he ended up with a #1!
It's not easy to make a strong hand.

Hero does have a 7 and a 2.

So the guy who drew five cards made a wheel at the river. Anything can happen in any game of poker: I can get 72o in LHE and flop quads. Which, btw, is a good point...

Hero should be looking to isolate UTG and retain position(which is mega huge in this game). And, at the very least, not give the bb a free shot when he draws five and gets lucky on us. Don't you think, at the very least, that the blinds should pay for this draw?
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04-28-2014 , 11:37 AM
All I did was ask the question if a raise was standard. I accepted yes for an answer. Don't know what is up with all the rudeness.
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04-28-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
All I did was ask the question if a raise was standard. I accepted yes for an answer. Don't know what is up with all the rudeness.
You asked some questions, I answered you, and then, as your reasoning behind not wanting to raise, you said this:

"I've played very little, but enough to know that it seems very easy to make a strong hand."

And, not wanting to raise because one time a guy from your home game drew five and made a wheel(after 3 draws) is, well, come on, you know that's not a good reason.

I'm sorry, but when I read something like that, it suggests that you don't have a good grip on the concept of this game. Your statement is flawed. Would you prefer that I didn't tell you the truth? I'm a straightforward person and sometimes my point comes across as rude. Really wasn't trying to be. I just get excitable about poker.

Last edited by Rush17; 04-28-2014 at 12:27 PM.
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04-28-2014 , 12:27 PM
Huh? I have asked exactly one question in this thread. "Is this raise standard?" OP answered yes with brief explanation. I took that as good enough and asked no more. Then people start mocking my one question. You asked me questions, I foolishly replied to the bait with an answer and self-depricating anecdotal reasoning, got more mockery.

At least you gave some actual information along with the mockery, unlike the other responder. Don't say I asked for it though. No, I don't know this game well. I rarely see it being played below 40/80, and that's a bit high for learning. So I came here to try to learn. Guess I learned my lesson.
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04-28-2014 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
All I did was ask the question if a raise was standard. I accepted yes for an answer. Don't know what is up with all the rudeness.
I didn't understand Jon_locke's "What?" reply. (I suppose Jon disagrees with you). But when I looked at other posts Jon made, none of them seemed rude.

I don't read any rudeness into Rush's replies. Rush is a good guy. I think perhaps you misunderstood him.

Anyhow, sorry that you felt poorly treated.

I appreciate your posts.

Buzz
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04-29-2014 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
It's not easy to make a strong hand.
I disagree with this. People show up with the nuts or near nuts in 2-7 TD more than in any other draw game (with the exception, I guess, of A-5 TD). It isn't rare to see two sevens at showdown.

Raising is surely standard here with 762, but what about 852 or 862?
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04-29-2014 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by tasman

Raising is surely standard here with 762, but what about 852 or 862?
Raising should be standard here with any 2card draw that you intend to play.
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