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04-19-2014 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Oh here's one: I absolutely loved Brutus Beefcake growing up. As objectively bad workers go, he's one of my favorite ever without question. That actually gives me a good idea for a post in the other thread...
Woooooooooooow.

Money Inc is one of the best tag teams ever, and IRS should have been a much bigger star (as IRS, I know Rotunda had a pretty long and successful career) than he was
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04-19-2014 , 08:07 AM
Crash Holly was incredible
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04-19-2014 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
Santino usually provides a wonderful breath of fresh air when he appears on screen.
Agreed. Not even mad he had a run as US (?) Champion. Marked hard when he was final 2 of the Rumble a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by LKJ
Many of Steve Austin's iconic segments (driving the beer truck in, attacking McMahon in the hospital) completely sucked and it's ridiculous that people like them so much.

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But to be clear: I still absolutely loved Steve Austin, just at a somewhat duller level than many others did.
This is just flat out wrong. Unpopular opinion indeed.

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Originally Posted by LKJ
Blood in wrestling is terribly overrated. Ideally it wouldn't be verboten, but non-hardway blood would still be a really rare occurrence.
I agree like 93% with this. There ARE a few matches that a blood spot made 100x better.

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Originally Posted by Chris DolMeth
Oh, and American badass Undertaker was so much better than his deadman gimmick.
This is one I've stated before and has received hate for. It's very unpopular, but also very true.


Kurt Angle is the best professional wrestler of all time top to bottom.
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04-19-2014 , 09:09 AM
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but Shawn Michaels second run had better ring work than his first.
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04-19-2014 , 09:37 AM
Attitude era Chyna was hot.
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04-19-2014 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylan
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but Shawn Michaels second run had better ring work than his first.
I agree with that. I think his best matches and angles came in his second run. His work with Angle, Y2J, HHH and Taker were his highlights.

My gripe is that in his first run, he was the man. He was the guy Vince was putting his company behind. When he was champion, he was champion because no one else was even close to him at the time apart from Stone Cold. There was no one bigger than Shawn Michaels. When he returned he never came close to having that elite status again because he was never booked that strong. In his second run he only had the title once and it was for a month. He was hardly ever in the title scene and was rarely in the main event. In the DX reunion they switched roles and he was HHH's sidekick. The JBL feud was ridiculous. He wasn't the man anymore and was borderline upper midcard for most of the second run.

A lot of it has to do with heel HBK > face HBK and he was never a heel in his second run, which is a shame. Some of those feuds with Cena, Angle etc could have been so much better if HBK was in full blown heel mode.
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04-19-2014 , 09:55 AM
HBK as a character was basically never good after his 1995 face turn got a full foothold. He was a tolerable babyface at first, but from the moment that he "lost his smile," that was basically it. Though he had the occasional good segment or whatever here and there, his days as a good character were dead. Which is a shame, because young heel HBK was ****ing fantastic as a character.
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04-19-2014 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Crash Holly was incredible
The only IRL friend I find myself ever discussing wrestling with was asking me about the WWE Network. I said it was great and that he should totally get it. He was asking me about the archive of matches, and if you could really just type in a wrestler's name and get all of their stuff right away; I said yes. He said, "Man, I'm tempted, but I'm just afraid I'm going to get on there, type Crash Holly's name into the search bar, then never go outside for days."

I squinted at him and thought "WTF," but never really pursued the conversation further.
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04-19-2014 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
Personally, I preferred Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, and Booker T in WCW over WWE.
Certainly agree on Rey and Booker. Jericho's funniest character stuff definitely happened in WCW too, but the vast majority of his greatest matches came with the WWE.
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04-19-2014 , 10:32 AM
Agree with Jericho. I think Booker's best work was with the WWE though. His feud with Stone Cold was a definite highlight. The supermarket scene was hilarious.
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04-19-2014 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dylan
I can't tell if I'm getting leveled or if the post itt about Santino are true.
I am exaggerating for effect but I enjoy him a lot more than most, and I think he's waaaay under appreciated for the work he does.

I also think he could, probably, be an above average in ring worker if ever fiven the chance to do so.
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04-19-2014 , 11:07 AM
I always liked this promo. Never saw anything from the gimmick outside of it thought.

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04-19-2014 , 11:10 AM
As pure comedy wrestlers go, Santino is one of the best that WWE has ever had. Which absolutely isn't saying much since comedy wrestlers are generally terrible in today's WWE, but regardless I have to give him credit for being able to crank out some occasional gold:

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04-19-2014 , 11:11 AM
Cryme Tyme was consistently hilarious.
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04-19-2014 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
Cryme Tyme was consistently hilarious.
This can't possibly be unpopular, can it? I'm not sure but I loved everything they did from the vignettes-splitting.
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04-19-2014 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
This can't possibly be unpopular, can it? I'm not sure but I loved everything they did from the vignettes-splitting.
Lkj hated them
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04-19-2014 , 01:58 PM
Judy liked them for one reason: they were an established tag team with a name. Like literally, that's all it takes to get the Judy stamp of approval. All tag teams with names are the GOAT. Rumor has it that he was a big Techno Team 2000 mark.
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04-19-2014 , 02:01 PM
Owen/Brett at WM is overrated

Angle/HBK at WM 21 was the best WWE match of the last decade
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04-19-2014 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
Judy liked them for one reason: they were an established tag team with a name. Like literally, that's all it takes to get the Judy stamp of approval. All tag teams with names are the GOAT. Rumor has it that he was a big Techno Team 2000 mark.
Lkj is clueless. I actually have a picture if lkj in a techno team 2000 shirt. Holding it off to blackmail him at the right time
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04-19-2014 , 02:11 PM
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Angle/HBK at WM 21 was the best WWE match of the last decade
This isn't unpopular. Lots of people say that it's a GOAT match and put it over the others from the past 10 years like Cena/Punk, Taker/HBK.

My opinion of the match is that it's very good. I certainly don't put it at 5* like a ton of other people but I don't have a lot over it in the past 10 years.

Big Show is great at his job but not a great wrestler by any stretch of the imagination.

William Regal still deserves a push. Seriously, watch his matches vs Cesaro and vs Hero from last year.

JBL was fantastic (not sure if unpopular).
Ron Simmons is and always has been criminally underrated in the ring.
The APA could've been one of the best tag teams of all time if they were around in the RA or PG era.
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04-19-2014 , 02:14 PM
JBL was definitely great. Had no use for Bradshaw in his Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw days, or as Blackjack Bradshaw, and wasn't even that fond of him as an Acolyte, but JBL was great.
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04-19-2014 , 02:15 PM
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This isn't unpopular. Lots of people say that it's a GOAT match and put it over the others from the past 10 years like Cena/Punk, Taker/HBK.
Clearly dubbing it "the best wwe match of the past decade" is unpopular here considering it lost in the tournament to punk/cena in the round of 32.

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04-19-2014 , 02:18 PM
Yeah, but that was because that HBK-Angle had the audacity to not take place in 2011.
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04-19-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by antidan444
I actually hate the HBK/Angle ending.

Cena/Punk
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Originally Posted by anguyen92
I'm going to say Punk/Cena, which is weird for me voting against an HBK match, but yeah, the middle part after Angle did the Angle Slam on the post and before HBK's crossbody on the table, kinda brings it down a bit.
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I'm a huge HBK mark but I have to vote for Punk/Cena.
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Originally Posted by ItsRainingMen
punk/cena easily. far more to a match than its technical ability. punk/cena was teh first time i've suspended disbelief and was actually not looking at a match as a smark but a fan who had no idea what was going to happen. match itself was pretty ****ing good, the leadup was unreal and the atmosphere was GOAT
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Cena-Punk
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Cena-Punk reasoning: The match and angle were awesome, but the crowd puts it over the top for me. It was like a soccer home crowd with waves of power and emotion
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HBK-Angle was a 9 seed (and should have lost to Hogan-Rock) in the first round for a reason...very good match, but did not pull out emotion from the viewer
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Originally Posted by anguyen92
Wait a minute, Cena/Punk outlasted HBK/Undertaker HITC and there is no way I'm willing to accept that match to be not better than HBK/Angle, so yes, I still stand by my opinion.
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Cena-Punk changed the landscape of WWE. Angle-HBK was just a good match.
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It changed the landscape by injecting life into a major sector of the fan base that was dying. It bumped Cena down a notch while elevating an indy darling into one of the biggest stars in the company. It is one of the few times during the PG era that the line of kayfabe has been blurred in a big way. It brought WRESTLING back to the forefront of the product, instead of sports entertainment. I could keep going.

HBK-Angle is technically a very good match. But that is all. There is no real emotion and certainly no footprint.
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Originally Posted by Dylan
Punk/Cena is the best match of an era, HBK/Angle arguably isn't in either Angle's or HBK's top 3 match at Wrestlemania alone. There so much more to Punk/Cena than there is to HBK/Angle. If the actual wrestling in the match is all you take into account than HBK/Angle should win by a mile, but if you take everything that makes wrestling great into account, great angle, awesome crowd, awesome announcing, and the most important part, it didn't seem like what we were watching was fake than Punk/Cena should win. During the Punk/Cena fued we didn't know what was going to happen next. To me this really isn't that close, Punk/Cena just has so much more to it than Angle/HBK.
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Originally Posted by antidan444
Angle rose from the dead, right? Basically from near-unconsciousness to "Got you!" Too unrealistic.
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It's theoretically enough time, but Angle just bursts to life (if I remember correctly) and I dunno, just didn't work for me. A slower rise would have been better.
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Punk Cena. I think its a slightly better match in general but i dont discount recency bias either. HBK Angle is a fine match too so i dont mind if it wins.
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Originally Posted by ajohnson16
This I knew would be the toughest second round matchup for me. Honestly, HBK/Angle is one of my favorite matches. Top 5 easily. And if this were in a wrestling match in a vacuum tournament, I'd vote for it.

That being said, I cannot vote against Punk/Cena. It's like nothing I've ever experienced.
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
I've been slacking in voting.

Punk/Cena. I completely disagree with the presumption that this will be forgotten in 5 years.

Bret/Owen, easily.

And in a very tough call, HBK/Razor.
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Originally Posted by spring83
Punk/Cena in a close one

Bret/Owen in not such a close one
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Punk/Cena officially advances, despite my best efforts.


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04-19-2014 , 02:24 PM
Like, I'm not saying "oh it's a good match", I'm declaring it the best match of the last decade


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Yeah, but that was because that HBK-Angle had the audacity to not take place in 2011.

I wonder if Batista/Sheamus is better than punk/cena now. 2011 was so long ago who can remember it?
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