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01-04-2012 , 05:44 PM
I was disappointed when face Jericho came out as I much prefer his heel work and his last heel character was my favourite by far, I was also left WTF'ing when he walked off without saying anything but the idea of this being a set-up on the fans is brilliant.

Dolph Ziggler celebrating the fact he DIDN'T win the title was really confusing. I haven't felt like that since I was 7 years old and Luger celebrated beating Yokozuna by count-out in a title match as if he had just been told he could keep the Lex Express.
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01-04-2012 , 06:05 PM
I don't hate ending on the Cena segment as much as most people... it'd be hard to follow something that bizarre and strange and it really does work well as a cliffhanger. My issue is more with the segment/feud itself which is quickly looking like another standard Cena gets tempted by the dark side but overcomes and squashes everyone storyline.
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01-04-2012 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SarcasticRat
I don't hate ending on the Cena segment as much as most people... it'd be hard to follow something that bizarre and strange and it really does work well as a cliffhanger. My issue is more with the segment/feud itself which is quickly looking like another standard Cena gets tempted by the dark side but overcomes and squashes everyone storyline.
i too did not hate the ending!
<-------SEE?!?!?!?!??!
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01-04-2012 , 06:41 PM
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It's bad enough they believed a title match between the 2 best wrestlers and entertainers on raw couldn't outdraw John cena and the temple of rape, but they also believed the super-hyped return of meta-Jericho couldn't outdraw it. That is just indefensible
Its not about what is and isnt drawing. Its that Punk losing by DQ in a title match which was basically just an excuse to set up the RR title match and Jericho saying nothing walking around whilst people cheer him for a bit isnt exciting. And tbh im not sure i disagree with them unless i have to suspend the fact that if i were writing it i wouldnt be writing it just for me.

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The angle with Kane coming from under the ring was written about a week ago, but officials didn't know how they would get to it until the day of the show. The six-man elimination match was a last minute segment put together on the script.

Officials wanted John Cena in the closing segment so there would be what was described as an "Indiana Jones-like" cliffhanger to end the show according to PWInsider.com. The feeling was that the CM Punk segment wouldn't be exciting enough and Chris Jericho's return wouldn't be a good way to end the show.
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01-05-2012 , 12:31 AM
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Officials wanted John Cena in the closing segment so there would be what was described as an "Indiana Jones-like" cliffhanger to end the show according to PWInsider.com. The feeling was that the CM Punk segment wouldn't be exciting enough and Chris Jericho's return wouldn't be a good way to end the show.
just laughed for a good minute straight.

whoever released this is sooo just trolling the iwc
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01-05-2012 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
just laughed for a good minute straight.

whoever released this is sooo just trolling the iwc
yes WWE creative trolls the IWC, but they aren't even doing it on purpose, they are just *that* ****ty at what they do. anyway it has been reported from various credible sources for a few weeks now that Vince wants Cena and only Cena in the main event/overrun slot and this is not remotely outlandish given what the writers normally do. keep the faith though!

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01-05-2012 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tpir
yes WWE creative trolls the IWC, but they aren't even doing it on purpose, they are just *that* ****ty at what they do.
When we hear about Vince pulling a prank that promises Zack a TV spot and then pulls the rug out from under him "because Vince hates the internet," I wouldn't be so sure that it isn't on purpose at least part of the time.
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01-05-2012 , 01:20 AM
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When we hear about Vince pulling a prank that promises Zack a TV spot and then pulls the rug out from under him "because Vince hates the internet," I wouldn't be so sure that it isn't on purpose at least part of the time.
Sure but that just makes the story Eskimo is disbelieving more likely not less. i.e. Vince hates the internet so he gives us all tons of cheesy Cena and is ready to pull the plug on Punk/Bryan. Again this has been reported by a few reputable sources for a few weeks now and isn't even close to being crazy. And it is what we just saw on TV! (A **** load more hokey Cena **** that is.)
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01-05-2012 , 05:00 PM
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Its not about what is and isnt drawing. Its that Punk losing by DQ in a title match which was basically just an excuse to set up the RR title match
Now, just a darn minute. If you want Punk/Ziggler as a feud (which we pretty much do, because the matches will be awesome), then they either have to have a bunch of matches (see below), or they just hot-shot something for a PPV or two (and we bitch about them hot-shotting yet another feud with no buildup).

If they're going to have a bunch of matches, then either
  • Punk wins cleanly a bunch of times (and then it's not much of a feud/why is Ziggler getting 1893274319371237 chances),
  • Ziggler and Punk keep trading the belt back and forth every two weeks for 3 months (and we bitch about too many title changes),
  • They have non-title matches (and we bitch about the champ wrestling in non-title matches for free, lol WWE),
  • Punk wins dirty or loses in ways that mean he doesn't lose the belt.

This is BY FAR the best (really, the ONLY) way they can realistically build up a decent feud.
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01-05-2012 , 05:20 PM
Also it is about what is and is not drawing because Vince is obsessed with the ratings and will bail on anything that loses viewers and is ok with a sample size of one. Which does not bode well because if you look at the ratings breakdown for last week PEOPLE WERE TURNING THE JERICHO SEGMENT OFF!! Lolol WWE universe sucks.
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01-05-2012 , 06:30 PM
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Also it is about what is and is not drawing because Vince is obsessed with the ratings and will bail on anything that loses viewers and is ok with a sample size of one. Which does not bode well because if you look at the ratings breakdown for last week PEOPLE WERE TURNING THE JERICHO SEGMENT OFF!! Lolol WWE universe sucks.
No **** people were turning that segment off. What the **** did they think people would do.
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01-05-2012 , 06:33 PM
Enjoy the greatest segment they've put out in months, perhaps.
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01-05-2012 , 06:58 PM
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Enjoy the greatest segment they've put out in months, perhaps.
Obviously you didn't see the dungeon of rape segment, because that was clearly the best segment this year.
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01-05-2012 , 07:04 PM
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No **** people were turning that segment off. What the **** did they think people would do.
Agreed! But according to the people ITT this was supposed to get them fired up and would make them tune in for sure next week!! (lol nice timing with the BCS Title game. Why didn't they do this in Chicago last month again?)

So basically the only people who got trolled were the smarks who wanted more of a payoff after the huge build. Everyone else stopped caring instantly and went back to being bummed it wasn't the Undertaker. Nice job WWE!
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01-06-2012 , 02:12 PM
i am officially demanding the dungeon of rape be called the temple of rape so it can go with my future john cena/indiana jones photoshop
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01-06-2012 , 02:38 PM
I guess i should spoiler my Smackdown thoughts itt:

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Good times whoever wants a heel Bryan, it looks like they are suddenly going that way. Either that or they forgot that a face who is solidly over working against a face who isnt equals a face vs a heel. But the manipulation of Henry to attack Bryan into attacking him so that he can get a DQ win whilst also having deniability was genius booking on a level i can only assume was pitched by Bryan himself.

As for the match itself they booked it about right. Against Show they cant really show Bryan looking overly dominant or anything, but he is the champ so showing him locking in a couple submissions to make it clear that on another day and time he may actually beat him clean then having a none ending to presumably set up either Show vs Bryan 3.0 or Show vs Bryan vs Henry is fine.

If they turn him as a smart manipulative heel where he takes on guys like (the face version of) Cody straight up but stacks the deck against guys like Show and not just the standard cowardly opportunist heel i could get behind that for sure.

Henry is ****ing awesome on commentary. He just completely nailed his points, had huge presence there and the way he completely shut down Cole when he asked who would win in a match between Bryan and Hornswoggle was perfect.

Bryan and AJ scene was great, from the "why are you even friends with her?" about AJ talking to Alicia Fox when he walks in on them to the "dont sweat it, when im done winning tonight im gonna bang you silly" ending.

The Booker Cody match continued their feud well and was just right, a match good enough that it could go on a minor PPV and most wouldnt mind too much but also clearly not important enough to deserve to be on a PPV and so give it away on TV and put something better on the PPV.

Rest of the show was pretty meh all in all but its worth it just for the continuation of the only story worth paying attention to with a good match to open the show and book end it with the main event.
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01-06-2012 , 07:00 PM
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Just finished watching, it does indeed look like they are turning Bryan heel. The way he antagonized Big Show during the interview and provoked Henry into the disqualification did not look face like. I was stuck with the German presenting but from the little I could tell Henry seemed like an awesome gast commentator.

Cody vs Booker was booked well. Kicking out after the scissor kick and continuing to win the match made Cody look strong. Looks like he's having a feud with his brother next.

I hope they let Hunico and Camacho enter the tag team scene soon, I think they would be a big help to build a stronger tag team division.
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01-06-2012 , 07:30 PM
so if i'm to understand the main event end game here...

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smackdown main event heels: barrett, bryan, henry, rhodes, christian

smackdown main event faces: big show*, orton, sheamus

*really he isn't credible, but for reasons completely unknown to me he'll be there

i guess i don't hate it. you have 7 guys who on any given week can carry the WHC (f big show), but the imbalance will lead to stale feuds in a hurry. tbh i'm not really sure how to solve this, although i would like to see orton drafted to raw and punk drafted to smackdown. yea, it would be a step back for punk, but he'll be allowed to step away from the super-punk bull**** we've been watching, and a punk feud with 4 of those 5 heels (f henry) could be awesome


raw main event heels: miz, adr, y2j (apparently won't be around past summerfest tho), ziggler
raw main event faces: cena, punk (whatever's left or RMJ i guess)

i didn't realize til i typed it out but seriously, that's it. it's out of this world bad how bad wwe is getting faces over as headliners (i attribute this 100% to PG). i guess u could count ryder and truth on the face side, but really, they're not. truth will be annoying as hell again, and the longer ryder goes without having cena/punk/ziggler to carry him, the quicker fans will realize he really brings nothing to the table but a catchphrase

4 legitimate main event faces to 9 heels and they think they have enough depth to justify a brand extension. i guess, really, supercena the champ is here dabba doo isn't cena's fault.

of the 9 heels the only one i think can actually be over as a face is miz. jericho probably could but u really can't count on him for very long

lol wow, that is pretty damn bad
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01-06-2012 , 07:39 PM
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So turning Bryan leads me to believe they are going to do Orton/Bryan at Wrestlemania. I guess the rumors of Orton winning the Royal Rumble are true. He'll probably be a surprise entrance and win the RR in his home town. I actually think a Bryan/Orton fued could be very good. Orton has proven this year that he's willing to put people over clean, and even if he doesn't, just having a match with Orton at Mania will do wonders for Bryan. I'm actually pretty happy about this.
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01-06-2012 , 09:07 PM
Phill what do you mean by suddenly? They have been teasing this for at least a few weeks now with Bryan's over-exuberant douchey celebrations. Either way IRM hit the nail on the head with:

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lol wow, that is pretty damn bad
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01-06-2012 , 09:12 PM
They should just give the title to the guy who is most over as a face:
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Santino ldo. Ziggler selling the Cobra as a serious move would be the most hilarious thing on TV.
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01-06-2012 , 09:45 PM
Omg lmao does Hunico always come out on that bike?
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01-06-2012 , 09:56 PM
Yeah he did it last week as well, it's awesome.
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01-06-2012 , 10:16 PM
Good lord cole is like superaids tonight
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01-06-2012 , 10:22 PM
They should just let Henry wear a mic and headset and give commentary for his own matches like Rock used to do.
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