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03-12-2015 , 03:05 PM
We must be similar ages. 9 was my first pirate box watch, and I was at an age that I would have done something stupid like that too
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03-12-2015 , 04:43 PM
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We must be similar ages. 9 was my first pirate box watch, and I was at an age that I would have done something stupid like that too
I was 10 years old. My first of many stupid wrestling related injuries, but thankfully none of them too bad.
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03-12-2015 , 05:04 PM
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I think WrestleMania 9 is the first ppv I ever convinced my parents to let my buy. I remember the start of the show well, for personal reasons. I come flying into the living room, excited it's about to start. I celebrate with a flying splash onto the couch. I over shoot it, and hit the wooden knob that was on the arm rest with my face. Bloody lip, nose, and a few loose teeth, and an older step-sister laughing at me, until she saw all the blood.

Starting WM 6 now.
And then you had to watch WM IX? Rough day
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03-12-2015 , 05:38 PM
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And then you had to watch WM IX? Rough day
Pretty sure I liked it as a kid, lol. I mean, my 10 year old brain still loved Hogan, was a big Hart fan, and thought Yokozuna was a beast. I was worried for undertakers health, and I thought HBK was sort of cool for a bad guy. It ranks way up there for things I liked as a 10 year old. Well, besides clowns. Nowadays, I am pretty scared to watch it again, like WrestleMania 4 scared.
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03-12-2015 , 05:57 PM
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I was 10 years old. My first of many stupid wrestling related injuries, but thankfully none of them too bad.
Ok so you're exactly my age. I think you'll probably have a similar view of it as I did on rewatch
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03-12-2015 , 06:04 PM
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Pretty sure I liked it as a kid, lol. I mean, my 10 year old brain still loved Hogan, was a big Hart fan, and thought Yokozuna was a beast. I was worried for undertakers health, and I thought HBK was sort of cool for a bad guy. It ranks way up there for things I liked as a 10 year old. Well, besides clowns. Nowadays, I am pretty scared to watch it again, like WrestleMania 4 scared.
It's shorter at least.

Like I said, I don't have it anywhere near 4 in terms of awfulness.
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03-13-2015 , 06:54 AM
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It's shorter at least.

Like I said, I don't have it anywhere near 4 in terms of awfulness.
It's not as long, but still manages to be just as boring. And it's a master class on how to book bad finishes.
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03-13-2015 , 03:55 PM
Enjoyed reading this thread and was inspired by it, watched X7 since it’s considered the GOAT most often.

Jericho (c) vs Regal: Intercontinental Championship - 1.5 stars

Even though it’s not the worst match at this PPV it’s probably the the match that underwhelms compared to expectations the most. For a title match important enough to get its own video promo, it didn’t feel that intense and super sized. The ending does not help of course as instead of a momentum climax Jericho just hits him with the Lionsault and JR is not expecting the match to end.

APA and Tazz vs Right to Censor 6 man tag - 0.5 stars

Filler 6 man tag match, just wanted it to be over to get to the other matches. Bradshaw’s little speech isn't that great but it's still better than the actual match. Bradshaw also wins the jarringly younger looking award for the night.

Raven (c) vs Kane vs Big Show: Hardcore Championship - 2 stars

Attitude Era carnage match that I enjoyed. Kane looks jacked and sweet. Big Show will always be a cuddly giant to me. Raven does a fine his smaller guy getting thrown through things role, including the window spot being the highlight. Works for me.

Eddie Guerrero vs Test (c): European Championship - 2 stars

Nothing special, but I love Eddie and the little guy big guy contrast with him and Test is engaging enough. Decent heel title win. I got into it more than Jericho Regal but it may just be because Eddie.

Kurt Angle vs Chris Benoit - 3.5 stars

Fantastic match that both more than lives up to its technical billing at first and then starts to evolve into something more, while not losing its technical and holding roots. Comes on at the right point of the show as well after just an ok first 4 matches. Loses half a star for the roll up ending. Maybe could’ve pulled off the cheap victory angle more if it had been executed with a little more set up. I like Angle and Benoit's Royal Rumble match more, I like Angle and Guerrero's XX match more, but this is still top top quality.

Chyna vs Ivory (c): Women’s Championship - 1 star

Nice to see Chyna again, but overall don't care, glad the match was short. I feel like it was a decent idea to make Chyna an apparent shell of herself after the neck injury Ivory caused, this could've made it believable for other divas to take her on. But this squash doesn't seem like they were that committed to it even if she had stayed.

Shane McMahon vs Vince McMahon - 3.5 stars

Kind of loved this match and the video package really got me into the storyline. Shane’s character always came off well to me in general. Good showmanship between him and Vince along with Linda and Steph. I found it funny how both Vince and Shane have the same theme song. Has there ever been a rack in history has looked better than Trish’s in that outfit.

Edge/Christian vs Dudley Boyz vs The Hardy Boyz - TLC - 4 stars

I understand some criticism of the interference angle and that it's a spot fest, but clearly tons of fun and lovable. I wouldn't call it an all time favorite compared to the singles matches I have up there, but one of the best and memorable tag matches, certainly

Gimmick Battle Royale - 0 stars

I’m not old enough to care about these guys and Battle Royales in general don't work for me cause you can't really tell a story with the eliminations, so I skipped to the end. Spending so much time on the entrances felt like a waste.

Undertaker vs Triple H - 3.5 stars.

Great brawl match and the spot on the radio tower where Triple H disappears really works though I'm surprised they didn't hide that he landed on padding. I do feel this match got helped a lot by an awesome crowd and that provided as much energy as what the wrestlers were really doing. It also feels like Undertaker’s going over almost all the way other than HHH almost stealing it with the sledgehammer shot. Overall excellent though.

Steve Austin vs The Rock - 5 stars

A best match ever contender for me and would put above Hart Austin. Again the crowd helps make it ultra electric but Rock and Austin also of a fantastic job selling just how important this match is to them. The bleeding feels perfectly natural to me because of that fire. I loved doing each other’s finishers turning into their own, and Vince and Austin as heel came off as believable. I love how when Austin uses the Million Dollar Dream/Cobra Clutch it gives you this early foreshadowing feeling that there’s something more evil going on with him than expected. JR and Heyman are also perfect in this match and you can feel their real fanboy enthusiasm for seeing this. One of JR’s greatest moments of his career. This match is straight fire.

Overall: As good as it gets. I'm pretty jacked after watching that.

Last edited by Dr Positivity; 03-13-2015 at 04:02 PM.
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07-20-2015 , 09:22 PM
It's a shame nobody has updated this thread since March - you know, like someone like me.

While I completed 5, I think 4 took a lot out of me. Six would be next for me.

I have not watched more than 5 minutes of wrestling since the RAW after this past WrestleMania. That is another reason I think I flaked out on this challenge.

However, I think I'm ready to redeem myself...for a show or two, anyway.
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07-20-2015 , 09:25 PM


I was excited when I saw that you bumped this, and would definitely read any more recaps that you crank out.
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07-20-2015 , 09:28 PM
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I was excited when I saw that you bumped this, and would definitely read any more recaps that you crank out.
Sorry for the tease.

By writing in this thread I thought it would motivate me to do another one.
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07-20-2015 , 09:52 PM
This was the thread that actually got me hooked here, so now you know what to blame for that. I read through WM 14, so maybe I'll get back to this and finish reading
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08-12-2015 , 09:33 AM
(A lot of things have happened since I started this write-up in the world of wrestling. Hogan was somewhat wiped from the face of WWE history and Roddy Piper died. Just before that, Dusty Rhodes died. Other than a comment here and there I decided not to really get into all that and just instead try to look at this event in a vacuum. This write-up took long enough for me to write it as it was, and went long enough word length that I didn’t really feel like I needed to add more about things that people are getting info from in other ways. Either way, thanks for reading, and enjoy!)

While I did complete 5, I think 4 took a lot out of me, hence the major delay in between write-ups. Looking back on past write-ups I saw that I grew increasingly cynical as the ‘Mania’s went on, so maybe I’ll ease up on that a bit. But, probably not. I also see that I had some running jokes going on between the cards, which I may or may not remember. Depending on how you felt about those jokes in the first place, you may or may not miss those.

On to the show…

I started writing this up from the beginning when I had a sneaky suspicion I had at least started this one before. Sure enough, after searching the insides (some would say, bowels) of my computer, I found what I had started.

WrestleMania VI

“The Ultimate Challenge”

Sadly, this is the last time Ventura would join us on a WWE/F Pay-Per-View, joined here by Gorilla.

Thankfully we’ve moved on from the Boardwalk in Atlantic City (a thought a lot people have probably had in their lives) and gone to the Toronto SkyDome, where 67,678 fans awaited Hulk Hogan vs. The Ultimate Warrior.

My first thoughts of this show were that it was a one match card. However, that one match is one of the biggest matches in the history of wrestling. In the Ultimate Warrior special release DVD that came out a little after his passing, Sting (his former tag-team partner, who he entered wrestling with) even said he was a bit jealous of the scene when Warrior beats Hogan.

I browsed through the matches and I don’t see many opportunities for us to even sniff the 3 star mark until the main event. I recall the match being pretty good, and I think it will break 3 stars for me, but I’m not sure by how much. Unfortunately it looks like I have about three hours of blah to get through until I get to the goods. I hope I’m wrong on that though and that there is a hidden gem mixed in, here and there.

I’ve always liked the “biggest stars in the galaxy” opening, with the constellations, followed by Gorilla welcoming us to the Skydome while the crowd goes crazy in the background. These really were the “Golden Years” of wrestling.

Robert Goulet sings an acapella version of O Canada that is well regarded by the crowd. 5 Canadian Stars

Koko B. Ware w/Frankie vs. Rick “The Model” Martel

The card had a dark match – Paul Roma defeating The Brooklyn Brawler. Shame we missed that one.

Martel – a year after turning on his partner Tito Santana, leads things off, while heading to the ring in the ring (the mini ring is back!) while spraying his perfume/cologne, Arrogance.

Martel sneak attacked Koko while Koko was getting his boots checked by the ref. B. Ware quickly storms back, including a backdrop and some pretty good standing dropkicks. After knocking Martel out of the ring he assists him back in with one of the most contrived spots in wrestling – the one where the wrestler on the apron has the inability to let go of the top rope while the wrestler in the ring uses the top rope to sling shot the guy on the apron into it. However, this crowd loves it, and we’re off to a fast start, which is a welcoming sign based on the starts of most (all?) WrestleMania’s up to this point.

Martel regains control by throwing Frankie’s handler through the ropes into the crowd. The Canadian Crowd boos the Canadian born Martel (Billed from Cocoa Beach, FL as “The Model” while he showboats in the ring.

Martel works Koko over for a while and attempts his Boston Crab finisher, but Koko makes it to the ropes. Koko too apparently has the head of a Samoan, as Koko feels no pain from the blows to the padded turnbuckle. A pair of flying headbutts later gets a two count. Koko then goes for a flying crossbody off the middle rope – but he’s no Steamboat – so he misses, while accidently bumping off Martel and landing semi-awkwardly on the mat. Still the desired result was met. A Boston Crab later, and Martel is the winner. 1.75 Stars.

Funny moment I never noticed before. Gene Mean is backstage getting set to interview the tag champs The Colossal Connection (Andre and Haku), and introduces them as The Colostomy Connection. They tell us they are going to eliminate Demolition.

Sean Mooney interviews Demolition in the room with the blue lockers and pay phone. Demolition describes a demolition derby.

Tag Team Championship – (c) The Colossal Connection w/Bobby Heenan vs. Demolition

Tag Champs get both the already ring treatment and first introduced. It’s not looking good for Andre’s only reign as a champion (selling the title to Ted aside). To be fair, it wasn’t looking good for Andre to get through any match at this point in his career.

Haku and Andre sneak attack (still no Pearl Harbor mention) Demoltion to start things off. Haku starts in the ring, but Andre comes in attack Smash in the back with some chops. Not a joke, Andre did more in this match than I remembered, which was his stuck in the ropes spot he grew fond of late in his career. As I write this, Andre breaks up a pin attempt. So, despite his limitations, there were still finding ways to keep him involved.

Heenan slaps Ax and Ax gets up to think about going to chase him but is caught by a headbutt from Andre. I mean, viewing this now after I know how hurt Andre was makes me appreciate this a little more. They keep the action in their corner so Andre can do things like chokes and headbutts, but never actually have to get into the ring. He is leaning on the ropes nearly the whole match because he literally needs the support.

Haku continues to beat down Ax with an array of kicks and chops. Smash comes in a couple of times to attempt a save, much to the crowds delight. I was thinking Haku was honestly looking a little winded, and he clinches on a nerve rest hold at around the same time.

Andre chokes out Ax with the tag rope after Smash tried to make another save. Big shoulder breaker by Haku. Ax finally lands some offense when he lands a boot into the head of a charging Haku while in the corner. A clothesline later and he finally makes the hot tag, while Andre watches from the corner. Haku gets a punch, clothesline, and a big back bodydrop. A flying double ax-handle (smash handle?) results in a pin attempt, which causes Andre to try to break it up. Smash notices and meets Andre halfway with a fist. In a move you see coming a mile away, Andre holds Smash while Haku lines up for a kick. Smash (shockingly!) moves and – you guessed it – hits Andre into the ropes, where he gets tied up. Demolition slingshots Haku on the top rope and follows it up with their elbow drop off the knee finisher. 1-2-3-. For the 3rd and final time, Demolition wins the gold. The crowd was going absolutely nuts during the closing moments of this match.

After the match Heenan berates Andre and eventually slaps him. Andre grabs Heenan by the collar, lands a couple pimp slaps – and missing on one completely – before Heenan scurries out of the ring. Andre turns around where Haku is waiting to kick him, but Andre catches it. Massive slaps to Haku, who gets sent out of the ring. Haku and Brain try to get to the mini-ring to get away, but Andre kicks them out of that, including a headbutt to Haku. Call me a mark, but because of Andre getting his swansong (more or less) and ending on a face note, and his work in this match, I’m giving this 3 stars.

(Note – this is the exact moment I gave up the reviews for four months.
Pretty weird to leave it at this point, but I guess something better came along…like not watching Earthquake vs. Hercules)

Earthquake w/Jimmy Hart vs. Hercules

Earthquake looks like a larger version of my uncle Rocky – who was introduced at his wedding reception to The Rock’s music.

I’ll tell you in complete sincerity, while I’m not a big fan of this version of Earthquake, I legit liked the tag-team he was in with Tugboat, the Natural Disasters. I’m not sure how many wrestling fans can say that with a straight face.

Perhaps in a callback to Bundy vs. Special Delivery Jones, Earthquake goes for the avalanche (a name John “Earthquake” Tenta would have in WCW. WCW – always original.), however Herc steps out of the way and takes the early advantage with kicks and boots in the corner. Hart distracts Hercules long enough for Earthquake to step out of the ring for a breather.

The two then engage in the least popular test of strength of the night. When Hercules begins his comeback, Earthquake ends it with a boot to the midsection. Earthquake is bleeding pretty good from the mouth at this point, probably from the punches he took in the early going.

Hercules does the whole – can he knock the giant down – thing. He gets him to a knee, and then attempts to go for a back breaker, which is met by an elbow from Earthquake. An elbow drop and an Earthquake Splash later, this one is over. After the win, Earthquake lands “the after shock” – according to Ventura – for good measure. Little more than a squash. 1 star. A month later, Earthquake would be feuding excursively with Hogan up until losing to him at that year’s SummerSlam, the high point of his career.

A prerecorded interview with Miss Elizabeth and a woman's name I missed takes place between matches. The interviewer tells Liz that the WWF fans miss her at ringside, so it’s clear she was on some hiatus at this time. Liz tells us if she does return to ringside you will see a far more active Liz. If I recall, Liz is on this show later. Hell of a prefacing job by WWF and this woman interviewer I had never seen before, or since, though she could have been quite famous at the time - in a non-wresting capacity - and I just dozed off when they said her name.

Brutus “The Barber” Beefcake vs. Mr. Perfect w/The Genius

Even as a kid I thought there was no way that Mr. Perfect would lose his undefeated record to The Barber. Le Sigh. However I have learned/thought a few more things every time I run into this match. Number one is, Mr. Perfect had lost before, at house shows. In fact, I have read previously that the commentators don’t even mention the undefeated streak being broken, so I’ll be listening for that. Beefcake did say he looked forward to beating the streak in a pre-recorded (or maybe post-recorded?) interview. Holding the undefeated streak in wrestling is almost like holding on to a minor title before getting catapulted into title contention. It just seems once that stigma is no longer attached to a wrestler, he can get onto better things. That is, unless you’re Mr. Perfect’s son.

Perfect sells an overhand right by flinging himself over the top rope over the turnbuckle. A few moments later he flies over the top rope with an atomic drop. Macho Man’s brother attempts to settle Perfect down, which allows him to regroup, albeit momentarily. A reverse into a turnbuckle sees Perfect come out of the corner with a front flip. His selling in this match is pretty hilarious.

Genius steps onto the apron and he drops his metal scroll. Perfect whacks Beefpie with it. Perfect lands some boots and hits his neck snap. Somewhat surprisingly, The Hairstylist kicks out. Perfect remains in control with chops, kicks, and his big knee lift. Beefcake clings to Perfect’s ankle, Perfect responds by pushing his face, but on the way down Barbercake hangs on and delivers a sling shot into the steel post, knocking Perfect out, and giving Hulk Hogan’s best buddy the win. The announcers in fact make no mention of this being Perfect’s first loss. 2 stars, which may be generous. After the match The Genius Poffo gets a sleeper hold and his haircut, which was somehow an improvement from where it started.

Roddy Piper vs. Bad News Brown

This is billed as a grudge match that stemmed from when Bad News eliminated Piper from the Royal Rumble even though Bad News had already been thrown out by Piper. Three weeks later Bad News told Piper if he insists on wearing a skirt he should shave his legs.

What is most remembered about this match is that Piper was painted half-black for this one. I tried to read his reasoning for doing it to summarize it here but I’m just going to leave the story for those interested because I couldn’t make much sense of it (http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/...7/roddy-piper/)

What is funny is that he had a solution made to take it off after the match but Andre “The Giant” poured it out and filled it with water, so Piper had to travel the next day like this. He says it took him a month to finally get it all off.

In the above interview, Piper suggests he was a little afraid to fight Bad News because of how good he was at Judo and how rough he was in the ring. I remember this match being all brawl, so I’m sure Piper took some shots. I’m just here to see if Brown delivers my all-time favorite wrestling move, The Ghetto Blaster.

Despite falling to this far down on the crowd, Piper still received a huge pop from the crowd.

There isn’t much to report here, so I’ll just sit here until this one is over or there is a Ghetto Blaster…

It’s over. To be fair, a lot more of this took place in the ring than I ever remembered. After about five minutes, both combatants ended up on the outside and were both counted out. They then brawled down the long hallway back into the dressing room for another couple of minutes. 1 star, which is more than I thought I would give it when it started.

Steve Allen is supposed to rehearse the Soviet National Anthem with The Bolsheviks but makes a bunch of funnies instead, which leads us to this match.

Hart Foundation vs. The Bolsheviks (Nikolai Volkoff and Boris Zhukov)

Unlike the last match, I do remember this one well. That’s mostly because it only lasts 19 seconds.

The Bolsheviks requested the crowd to stand as they sing their anthem. A couple lines in, The Foundation sneak up from behind. They throw Volkoff out of the ring and set Zhukov up for their finisher, The Hart Attack. 1-2-3. Would have liked to see a little bit more of one of the best tag-teams at the premier show of the year, but what are you going to do. .009 of a star for every second this one lasted.

In between bouts we get the infamous commercial stating that WrestleMania 7 will be held at The Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, where they were hoping to reach 100,000 plus fans. In reality, due to poor ticket sales, it was held at the much smaller Los Angeles Memorial Arena, where the announced attendance was 16,158. WWF claimed at the time it was switched due to security concerns, as an Iraqi sympathizer, Sgt. Slaughter, was their champion. I’m surprised this commercial still makes the cut on WWE Network.

The Barbarian w/Bobby Heenan vs. Tito Santana

Just saw a story on Tito Santana in Sports Illustrated that he is now a school teacher in Texas. Barbarian was actually originally trained in Sumo Wrestling, and still makes independent wrestling appearances today. I mostly remember Barb from WCW when he challenged Ron Simmons for the WCW Title at Halloween Havoc in 1992.

Ventura proves that the 90’s are no different when coming to probably racists jokes/comments thrown at Tito. While calling him “Chico” and talking about Santana’s enchiladas, this match gets underway.

This one doesn’t last too long. Barbarian catches Tito in a power bomb position but the momentum makes Santana land on Barbarian for a 2 count. Ventura points out that Santana should have hooked the leg. A few beats later, Barbarian lands an impressive boot followed by an equally impressive shoulder breaker. He goes to the second turnbuckle for a tightrope elbow drop and somewhat surprisingly misses. Santana lands his flying elbow, but while going for the win, Brain puts Barbs foot on the rope.

Barbarian regained the advantage with probably the worst botch of the night so far. Tito was supposed to get clotheslined by the top rope, but pretty clearly misses everything. Ventura and Santana sell it anyway. Barbarian lands a pretty sweet flying clothesline off the top for the win. Better than I thought it was, and Barbarian has some awesome power moves. 2 stars.

Man, this still has a looooong way to go.

Dusty Rhodes and Sapphire vs. Macho Man and Sherri

This is one of the few matches I can remember fast-forwarding through all the time when I was a kid. For starters, I had no idea who Dusty Rhodes was at the time, but like most fans, I have grown to respect his work. As an adult, I think it’s sort of a shame that Macho Man doesn’t get a chance to shine at the biggest show in the year, much like the Hart Foundation.

Let’s pause for a sad note, every competitor in this match is dead. Thinking of that reminded me of a story I read once, which was quoted in Wiki that states with the death of Dusty, 13 (14, since I started this writing) of the 36 competitors on this card have died. The story compares that to the 1990 Super Bowl, in only one of the 44 starters have died. It really is a sad business.

I sort of wish this could have been Dusty vs. Macho, as I think they could have pulled something approaching a 3 star match, even at that stage of Dusty’s career. But, they also used this match as a vehicle to reintroduce us to Liz.

Ventura makes fun of the combined announced weight of Dusty and Sapphire, “565 I might buy, but no 465.” And “I know damn well Sapphire goes two and a half.”

Dusty introduces Miss Elizabeth to the ring, and the crowd goes bananas. I’m a Sensational Sherri guy myself, but I’ll allow it.

All Dusty all the time to start this one. Sapphire gets the tag and booty bumps Sherri all over the ring. “Well she certainly has the hips to do that,” Ventura pines.

She follows this was an attempt at an airplane spin that lasts about one rotation before she topples over onto Sherri in which she was lucky enough not to break the sensational's one neck.

We do eventually get a patented off-the-top-rope double ax-handle from Macho once his team takes control. The second time he goes for it, Sapphire stands in front of Dusty. Macho jumps off down to the floor and flings Sapphire out of the way. She’s taking a lot more bumps than I ever thought she would, although a few of those she brought on herself.

Dusty gets a scepter to the back of his head, and then Sherri landed a splash from the top, which Dusty gets out of two. Nevermind that the rules stated that it’s man vs. man and woman vs. woman. Later, with Sherri on Dusty’s back, Sapphire pulls her off in a legitimate very dangerous looking way. This gets a one count only, probably so Sherri can shake herself off. Sapphire throws Sherri outside of the ring, and Liz throws her back in, showing her more active role as a manager, as she prefaced in the interview earlier in the show.

While Sherri goes to confront Liz, Sherri gets pushed for her troubles into a table top, roll-up combo, giving Dusty and Sapphire the win. It’s probably a good thing it ended there before ol’ Saph had another chance of hurting someone. Ah, I don’t know…1 star for the ax-handle.

After the match, Sapphire, Dusty, and Liz dance in the ring like you would have expected people who can’t dance to dance in 1990.

Bobby “The Brain” Heenan gives his “You listen to me and you go to the top” promo, which shows up a lot in Heenan highlight videos.

Oh, the woman’s name I didn’t know is Rona Barrett. I learn this because Ventura and Gorilla interview her. Barrett tells us that an X-rated video of Ventura exists, and Gorilla really wants to see it for some reason. Luckily they kick it to Macho being interviewed by Sean Mooney. He is angry about losing. Continuing the interview theme, they whip it to Gene who is interviewing the new champions, Demolition, though it feels like it’s been four months since I saw them win that title This tag run leads us to Demolition vs. Foundation at Summerslam, which Bleacher Report named one of the best matches of SS history recently, for what that’s worth.

Hulk Hogan is now interviewed by Gene Mean. “Do you want to live forever?” “If your answer is yes, breathe your last breath into my body and we can save you, The Hulkamanics can save you!” On to Warrior for his thoughts. Warrior gives a similar interview – in his tone – but says Hulkamania can live through Warrior. I’ll be honest, both interviews were good and I can see how it would have certainly pumped the fans up back in the day. I know I said something about it being a one match card earlier, but what a match it was.

Orient Express w/Mr. Fuji vs. The Rockers

I believe I’ve read these two have had decent matches in their history, but I think this is the first time they met each other on TV. I think that because Gorilla said the Orient Express was the latest acquisition of Mr. Fuji.

This one is back and forth in the very early stages, with The Rockers taking the lead after a series of synchronized tag-team moves by Shawn and Marty. However, when they were back in the ring, Fuji pulled the top rope down, sending Jannetty onto the blue mats. For good measure, Fuji then laid in a cane shot across the small of his back.

I think I referenced this in an earlier review. One thing that is so much different in these tag matches that differ from today is that they go back-and-forth a lot more. Also, and this is one that has always bothered me about tag wrestling, is that when a wrestler is close to his partner he makes the tag a lot more often. I feel a lot of times today we have to think because a wrestler is hurt he wouldn’t have the ability to tag his partner despite being right next to them in some cases because of the result of where a move finished. It’s just a little nitpick I’ve had about tag wrestling, but so far in this one, I have no complaints.

Now, the above isn’t saying I’m against a good hot-tag, because that’s what Shawn will need after the last few minutes of sustained punishment he has taken. Jannetty does get the tag, and after clearing out the competition for a few, Shawn feels good enough to get back into it. As the Rockers go for The Rocker Drop, Fuji hooks his leg. Marty jumps down to confront him, but gets a handful of salt in his eyes for his trouble. Jannetty stumbled outside of the ring – including falling over the barricade into the first row of fans – causing him to be counted out. Would have been great for them to have more time, considering some of the other slop we’ve sat through, but this was a fun little 2.75 star match. I believe these guys have a higher rated match at the next Royal Rumble, iirc.

More Steve Allen, this time interviewing Rhythm & Blues, aka, Greg Valentine and Honky Tonk Man. Allen has some risqué comments, including one about the sexuality of Pee-Wee Herman. I actually had gained some respect for Greg over these reviews and sort of tough to see him in this gimmick, as it appears he doesn’t like it too much.

Dino Bravo w/Jimmy Hart and Earthquake vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan

The Canadian crowd at first seems to think they should root for the good guy because that’s what you do, but there are plenty of boos when they see him holding the American flag and chanting USA. However his “hoooooooooooooo” chant, seems to get the crowd a bit more on his side over The Canadian Dino Bravo. In today’s day and age I’m pretty sure the Canadians would be rooting for the Canadian, but these were different times.

This is a pretty good bruiser of a match between two guys that don’t have the best of coordination. Hacksaw eventually goes for his clothesline, but starts fighting with Earthquake. Hart tries to get the 2X4 to Bravo, but Hacksaw cuts it off at the pass, hits Bravo in the back with it, and gets the win. Almost immediately afterwards, Earthquake drops Duggan and lands two huge elbow drops and three avalanches. I guess that’s what Duggan gets for cheating. 1.5 stars.

Jake “The Snake” Roberts vs. Ted DiBiase w/Virgil

As far as I can tell this is one of the few matches on the card that actually had some build-up. Jake stole the Million Dollar Belt from DiBiase, which caused some animosity between the two. Jake cuts one of his more well known promos on DiBiase backstage with Gene before heading out. Gene – “Longfellow couldn’t have said it better.”

Someone in the crowd holds up some loonies and toonies or whatever silly money Canadians have, while DiBiase is being introduced.

These guys always reminded me of each other. Similar bodies and I think pretty similar moveset. This match was one of the few on the undercard I thought had a chance of sniffing the 3 star mark. However, Jake was one half of the worst Mania match just two years earlier with Rick Rude, also a guy I would say had a lot of similarities to Jake.

Snake takes control early in this one, with the backdrop being that he’s trying desperately to land his DDT, with DiBiase just barely escaping a couple times early. Like the mentioned Rude match, this one went to a rest hold fairly early, but luckily it was only for a minute, and to be fair this one did have a bit of a fast start, unlike the rude match that was 15 min of rest holds in a match scheduled for 15 min.

After a missed knee lift by Snake – that sent him flying into the corner – DiBiase begins to execute his methodical offense. The crowd must not have been too enthralled with the action, as they partake in a wave. This was clearly the early days of “The Wave,” as the cameraman and Jesse spend an inordinate amount of time describing it, with Jesse telling us “This is what it’s all about.”

Ted hits a piledriver, but Jake gets a near 3 count when he reverses the nonchalant pin by DiBiase. DiBiase takes back control in a flash and clinches in the Million Dollar Dream. Snake falls to the ground apparently out of it, but gets his foot on the rope to break the hold. Jake turns the tide (wave reference) with a fist to the stomach as Ted flew by after a missed ax-handle attempt. Finally, the shortarm clothesline, which is one of my favorite moves, for what it’s worth. It seems like it should be DDT time, but DiBiase holds on to the refs leg while Virgil pulled Snake out of the ring. After giving Virgil a slam, Ted clinches the Dream, but they both run into the post. Virgil gets Ted into the ring before the ten count, giving him the count out victory. Jake lands a DDT on Ted while Virgil hightailed it out of there with the belt. Jake picks up money that Virgil had dropped on the way out and hands it to the Canadians who have no idea what to do with this type of currency. This wasn’t that bad. 2.5 stars.

Akeem w/Slick vs. Big Boss Man

I liked these two as a tag-team (yes, I was the one. Additionally, it's clear I liked every tag-team over the combined 500 pound mark, or 600.), but if I recall, this match doesn’t get glowing reviews.

I’m guessing the best thing about this match is getting to hear a minute of “Jive Soul Bro.”

Lol I forgot about this. DiBiase ambushes Big Bubba Man before the match started. Weeks earlier, Boss turned face when he refused money from DiBiase. I guess DiBiase didn’t take too kindly to that.

I forgot that Bossman did the fall off the middle rope that Dean Ambrose does, minus the clothesline though.

Bossman tries to atomic drop One Man Akeem but can’t hold him up and they sort of collapse in the corner. A few seconds later Boss Rodgers lands his sidewalk slam and this one is over. .5 of a star.

Sean Mooney reminds us again that 100,000 people won’t be attending WrestleMania 7, prior to Rhythm and Blues entering the ring to sing “Honka Honka Honka Hunky Love.” This is the only other segment – thus far - I’ve came close to fastfowarding since the Piper-Downey bit.

Jerry Lawler’s cousin talks to the crowd a bit, introducing the song. I honestly couldn’t remember they actually attempted to sing a song here, complete with backup singers. Jimmy Hart is also there, the only one with actual musical talent - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2apM0DAe1g

I feel bad for Greg Valentine. He was actually pretty good the first few WrestleMania’s, and here the one part he sang, his microphone didn’t appear to work. The Bushwackers eventually break this thing up, but after RnB was already done their musical number. You can tell the guitars that the Wackers broke after the performance weren’t gimmicked, as it took them a little work to break them. At least they didn’t’ use Jake Roberts head to break it.
Fink tells the crowd that the 67,678 fans are the most ever for an event held in the SkyDome.

Rick Rude w/Bobby Heenan vs.”Superfly” Jimmy Snuka

Steve Allen has joined us on commentary. Rude gives Snuka the ol’ Pearl Harbor Job (my words, not Gorilla’s), as Jimmy adjusted his kneepads with his back to rude. Snuka quickly turns things around and even gyrates his hips in between moves, mimicking Rude.

Rude turns things around with a suplex while Snuka was attempting a backdrop and afterwards lands a backdrop of his own. Snuka grabs the offensive, he teases his splash, but Rude is up in time. Snuka goes for a flying headbutt from the second rope, but whiffs, and Rude lands his “Rude Awakening,” for the W. This match had a couple spots where it looked like they repeated things because one of them (I think Jimmy) missed a couple cues, including one of the backdrops and the ending sequence. Heenan appeared he was supposed to get involved when he attempted to shake the ropes the second time Snuka was on the ropes, but it was hard to tell. 1 star.

Ultimate Warrior (IC Champ) vs. Hulk Hogan (WWF Champ) “Title for Title”

I’m quite cynical on here, but as a fan of WWF in the “Golden Age,” it doesn’t get any better than this. Prior to the match they show the lead up, including the Royal Rumble double clothesline, an accidental clothesline on Hogan during a melee featuring Perfect and Genius, and Hogan “Saving” Warrior from an Earthquake attack, help in which Warrior didn’t appear to need or want. However, 2 weeks later, Warrior saves Hogan from an Earthquake Splash – this one more clearly needed as Earthquake was attempting to land multiple splashes – but Hogan doesn’t appreciate this help. Warrior teases a clothesline, but runs out of the ring. The thought is they teased Warrior being a bad guy for this match, but they went against it, which seemed like a pretty good idea.

Warrior runs to the ring first, and gets a huge pop. Hogan’s pop is similar, but maybe, just maybe, a tiny bit smaller.

Staredowns start, while Earl Hebner gives them instructions and takes the titles. Hogan looks smug for the most part, while Warrior growls at him, with eyes wide open. They then take turns throwing each other into the turnbuckles, while the crowd reacts. Having just watched Hogan-Rock recently from a dozen years from this match, I realized it was the same exact start to both matches, both at the SkyDome.

Now the most famous test of strength in wrestling history, in which I alluded to two weeks ago when I started watching this PPV. Warrior takes the advantage first, but then the Hogan supporters give him the strength to even things out, eventually taking the lead. Warrior than battles back to even things out, before Hogan ends it with a takedown and an elbow drop, generating a 1 count.

Ah yes, the crisscross, a call back to their Royal Rumble moment. Hogan slams Warrior, who no sells, then another crisscross later slams Hogan and clotheslines him over the top rope to the outside. If this was early NWA that would be cause for a DQ and would have really made things anti-climatic here. Hogan favors a knee after his tumble to the blue mats. Hogan tells Earl that his knee is gone.

Warrior and Hogan exchange eyerakes and chokes, much to the joy of The Body. Hulk has a mini-hulk up. Lands some fists and a clothesline in the corner. Hogan has forgotten about his knee injury, and Gorilla says perhaps he temporarily dislocated his knee and it slipped back in again. I mean, it’s pretty bad he turned it off this quick. Gorilla asks Jesse if he agrees with his diagnosis and Jesse replies “Well, you’re the doctor.” Hogan would never again favor his knee in this match.

Hogan in total control now, using a clothesline and a shoulder breaker – a move I don’t recall seeing him use too often. After a minute or two of rest move, Hogan lands some knees to Warriors back and lands a back bodydrop, before clinching in a headlock.

Warrior breaks the headlock with three elbows to the gut, and then they have another callback to the Royal Rumble altercation with a double clothesline. They both get up about the same time but Warrior starts his version of the hulk up, and lands some punches and three running clotheslines. After slamming Hulk into both corners, Hogan crumbles at Warrior’s feet, almost asking for mercy. Giving none, Warrior lands a suplex. He then clinches in a bearhug.

For some reason I’ve always remembered Hogan ripping off Hebner’s shirt pocket while in the bearhug. I think in another match he rips his entire shirt, but I can’t remember which. Hogan escapes the bearhug after keeping his hand up after Hebner lifted it for the third time. In the exchange that followed, Hebner was bull rushed on accident, leaving him motionless to one side of the ring. Warrior uses this time to land two ax handles from the top rope, but missed on the following shoulder block. Hogan gets on top of Warrior, slapping his hand down three times to signify he should be the winner. When Hogan gets up to look to the crowd with a look of confusion, Warrior gets up quickly and lands a backbody drop which causes Hogan to go into his convulsions. For good measure, Warrior slaps his hand on the mat 3 times. Hebner comes to, and slowly gets to 2 before Hogan kicks out with a half second to spare. A roll up by Hogan gets a 2 count. Hulk then elbows Warrior to the floor. Warrior lands a headbutt and throws Hogan into the post, and they head back into the ring.

Warrior lands the gorilla press and splash. He takes a second to turn Hogan over. Two count, and Hogan hulks up! Hogan blocks a punch and lands three of his own followed by the big boot. Hogan goes for his leg drop – and he gets massive air for this move – but misses. Warrior rises and lands his splash, and gets the three count, with Hogan narrowly missing the escape. This was one of the few times in his entire career Hogan ever lost cleanly. I’ll give this 3.25 stars, though a solid half star of that may just be me remembering when I was 7 watching this for the first time.

From what I understand – many considered this to be a passing of the torch. Hogan was considering going to WCW while Warrior seemed like he would be the man for a long time. However, Hogan would stick around for a couple more years in the WWF while Warrior would be in and out of the WWE while engaged in a battle of “he said he said” with Vince McMahon. Still, the resulting moment of Hogan giving Warrior the title – his title for most of the last half decade – continues to be one of the bigger moments of the silliness called wrestling that we all enjoy.

It’s been so long since I’ve seen some of the other shows, and even this show took me a long time to view. I’ll say that this was easily one of the better ones I’ve seen, but I think I’m suffering from both recency biased and nostalgia at the same time because of the main event. With that, I wouldn’t put too much stock in my ranking list, but after reviewing it a bit before making up my mind I’m fairly happy putting 6 second behind 3. If I was assigning numbers to all of these I think I’d give 6 and 5 a tie as a whole, but for reasons already stated I don’t mind giving 6 the 2 ranking.

First to Worst
WM 3
WM 6
WM 5
WM 1
WM 2
WM 4
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08-12-2015 , 10:14 AM
It's definitely kind of crappy that the Hart Foundation got saddled with throw-away matches for two WMs in a row, and that they broke that streak the following year by...losing the titles to the Nasty Boys.

It's funny, the moment you mentioned Orient Express vs. The Rockers, the thing that immediately comes into my head is Gorilla pretty much openly calling out The Rockers for being incredibly sloppy during the match (I think they were far from sober). A few minutes in, Gorilla interjects with, "Rockers are looking pretty lethargic here, Jess!"
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08-12-2015 , 10:48 AM
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It's definitely kind of crappy that the Hart Foundation got saddled with throw-away matches for two WMs in a row, and that they broke that streak the following year by...losing the titles to the Nasty Boys.

It's funny, the moment you mentioned Orient Express vs. The Rockers, the thing that immediately comes into my head is Gorilla pretty much openly calling out The Rockers for being incredibly sloppy during the match (I think they were far from sober). A few minutes in, Gorilla interjects with, "Rockers are looking pretty lethargic here, Jess!"
You know, I thought of making reference to that quote but left it out for whatever reason. I wanted to go into Andre not liking the Rockers because he always thought they came to work hungover, among other things. However, I couldn't remember if I made reference to that before.
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10-09-2015 , 11:42 PM
As I stated before, this thread is the one that got me hooked here, and I thank you for that. And between this thread and getting into the Lapsed Fan podcast, Ive decided to go back and watch all of the WMs. I say go back but just as a point of reference, I have only seen 1-5, 12-17, and 31. And with the exception of 31 Ive only seen them once so they will almost all seem new to me. I have seen bits and pieces of others, usually when someone makes reference to something at a WM and I go back to watch that match or spot. But other than that, it will mainly be all new material for me to digest.

With all of that said, I have just finished up the first 5 which I have seen before but only once. WMs 1 and 2 I watched as VCR rentals when they came out on Coliseum Home Video. 3-5 were seen live. Another personal note, I still hold a little bit of resentment for a friend of mine because his dad got free tickets to see WM 1 in closed circuit at the Spectrum bu he chose another friend of ours and not me.

I dont know if it was the 10-14 year old that I was or if these shows just dont stand up to the test of time, but I remember these shows being so much bigger than they appeared this time around. I think its the sheer volume of matches they booked per show. 12-16 is way too many matches and I wonder what their thought process was in booking so many. It made the shows a lot less enjoyable in my mind. But still it was good to go down memory lane and I would like to share some thoughts I had while watching this

- Without Piper, I dont think WM 1 is nearly as big a success as it was. I think they could have had someone replace Hogan and not lose too much, but Piper was essential.

- Jesse really did tell it like it was, and Gorilla seemed like the actual heel commentator

- I had forgotten how much celebrity overkill there was early on. WM 2 was gross with the celebrities, and Im glad they decided to fonally tone it down

- The crowds at Trump Plaza sucked ass, and killed the shows for me.

- I think the main problem with WM IV is we see the same wrestlers way too much, and a one day tournament format should never be done again

- It looked like they used the same ring apron for IV and V and just "purpled" out the I.

- Who thought Rockin Robin was a good singer?

- Whoever came up with the idea of the motorized mini rings should have received a giant bonus becauze those things were awesome and added so much to the presentation of WM 3

- Hogan just comes off as a glory hog in IV and had no business interjecting himself in the final match, especially afterwards. Such a scumbag


After I finished watching V, I went back and looked t how you guys had the first five ranked to see how similar we viewed it. We are surprisingly in sync with one small exception. I rate them III>V>1>IV>2. I put 1 ahead of IV and not that far behind V based on the significance of the show and what it meant in the moment. Based purely on match quality alone V blows it away, but in the context of the times I think it almost eclipses V.

I was going to do some reviews for the shows but I dont know if anyone even looks at this thread anymore, but maybe if it picks up some steam, Ill do them from VI on. I wont do a match by match deal like some of you do, but maybe a general overview with some "awards" given out. Anyway its late and Im going to bed now.
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10-09-2015 , 11:49 PM
Rockin' Robin's national anthem was absolutely atrocious. It was something you hear from an untalented student before a high school basketball game.
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10-10-2015 , 12:07 PM
One more thing I forgot to put in last night.

- You can see the deterioration of Andre the Giant from one year to the next. He goes from being able to move rather well in WM 1 to starting to have trouble in 2. Then you can see his mobility really starting to decrease in 3 to the point where he needs to hold the ropes to be able to stand up in 5. Also look at his lower legs. In 5 they are barely bigger than Jake's almost look like the just want to break under the stress.
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10-10-2015 , 12:09 PM
Gets noticeably worse from 5 to 6 also.
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10-10-2015 , 12:50 PM
Ive actually seen that match already. I read that he never was tug in by Haku nd just to see how they pulled that off. The even sadder thing is that he still wrestled in Mexico well after that.
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10-12-2015 , 12:53 AM
Wrestlemania VI

This was a much better show than I thought it was going to be. I may have been a little jaded thinking that the cheesy cartoony era had started before this show, but I guess it hasnt happened quite yet. Hogan/Warrior was easily the best main event of the first 6 WMs. I think purely wrestling wise V is better but add in the crowd and the performers involved VI beats it out. As I was watching this, Ihad realized that I was familiar with some of the storylines so I wasnt as disconnected from wrestling as I thought at this time, but I know I hadnt seen the show before. I have some other thoughts from the show and some awards to give out.

- I found it odd that they had the lyrics for the Canadian national anthem up on scoreboards throughout the arena. I wonder if Goulet didnt know the words.

- I felt even worse for Andre watching his match. He just looked so miserable being in there. It looked like he almost collapsed a couple times. I am glad that it looked like they gave him a face turn before the end of his career.

- Tell me if I am correct. Did Brutus really end Mr. Perfect winning streak? God, I hope not.

- What the hell was Piper thinking?

- I really enjoyed the pre match promos from the wrestlers, but you could tell the interviewers and managers were just reciting lines. Sean Mooney and Jimmy Hart were the worst by far

- Unless Im missing someone only Hogan, Santana, Valentine, and Andre have been in every Wrestlemania up to this point. And my guess is that with the exception of Hogan, they area ll done or are soon going to be done with their WM careers.

- That crowd was awesome and didnt appear to be much smaller than III.

- I think Jesse was right and Hacksaw may have thought he was still in the US. How did no one in charge tell him to tone down his schtick?

- I know that Vince wants to get as many people a WM paycheck as possible, but did we need 14 matches?



Award Time

Match of the Night

This one easily goes to Hogan/Warrior. I cant believe I saw a 20+ minute match with these two guys and it was good. I would have never thought one of them could have done it, let alone both. The ending takes it down a notch for me, but more on that later

MVP (Most Valuable Performer)

Warrior. He killed it in that match and was hands down the reason why that match was as good as it was.

LVP(Least Valuable Performer)

Sapphire. WTF! Who thought this was a good idea. Just horrendous.

Most Awesome Moment

The interview Sean Mooney did with the first kid in the audience about Rhythm and Blues. The fact that the kid says he hates them and doesnt care what the title is, is priceless

Least Awesome Moment

Hogan's spotlight stealing at the end of the match. What a piece of crap this guy is. You lost shake his hand and get out of the ring. It was Warrior's moment after putting on that great match, and Hogan makes it all about himself, and what a great loser he is. My hate for Hogan grows more every time I watch him in the shows.

Show Rankings

III
VI
V
1
IV
2
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10-12-2015 , 01:12 AM
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- Tell me if I am correct. Did Brutus really end Mr. Perfect winning streak? God, I hope not.
Ultimate Warrior ended it at a house show that nobody really saw about a month before this. So, to your question, no. But the real answer is probably worse.

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- Unless Im missing someone only Hogan, Santana, Valentine, and Andre have been in every Wrestlemania up to this point. And my guess is that with the exception of Hogan, they area ll done or are soon going to be done with their WM careers.
Brutus is another.

Off the top of my head, Valentine is on the next one and Tito is on the next two.

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- That crowd was awesome and didnt appear to be much smaller than III.
Drawing from a pretty similar well I think, I'm guessing that there's a pretty decent overlap between crowd members at a Detroit WM and a Toronto WM.

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Least Awesome Moment

Hogan's spotlight stealing at the end of the match. What a piece of crap this guy is. You lost shake his hand and get out of the ring. It was Warrior's moment after putting on that great match, and Hogan makes it all about himself, and what a great loser he is. My hate for Hogan grows more every time I watch him in the shows.
I don't know man, I'm not really with you on this particular moment at all. Obviously Hogan deserves most of the nasty things that get said about him, but here he does a 100% clean job to a guy that he and most in the locker room hate, then does a pretty standard babyface handshake/hug afterward, then leaves. He's just acting in character on the way out; I don't know that you can put it on him that they linger on him with the camera and commentary.
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10-12-2015 , 04:29 AM
Besides, the real credibility killer is probably Hogan kicking out at 3 1/4.
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10-12-2015 , 09:53 AM
With the above show being the last show I put on here it's still sort of fresh in my mind. I actually thought they did a good job getting Andre involved and I think I put that match a notch or two higher for just being creative, but yeah, Andre at this point was sort of sad.

It's interesting the network keeps the prematch interviews up for the Perfect/Brutus tilt, because Brutus does allude to wanting to be the first one to beat Perfect. However, neither of the announcers mention it, nor is it mentioned again when Perfect loses. I'm guessing those interviews were filmed way before the match, maybe even before Warrior beat Perfect at the house show. Then, just an oversight by the WWE editing team, then and now.
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10-12-2015 , 11:37 AM
I don't agree with the assessment that Warrior was better than Hogan in the Wrestlemania 6 match. Warrior was blown up very shortly into the match and Hogan worked his ass off to make him look good. Hogan was the one that called the match also.

Meltzer, however, reported that Hogan wasn't supposed to steal the spotlight by making that sad face and such at the end.

Hogan outworked Warrior in every way.
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