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Old 12-26-2015, 06:47 AM   #151
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Russo has just continually buried himself since WWE no sold him trying to get another job ~3 months ago. Really pathetic guy.
This. Russo has continually killed any credibility he had left. Owens isn't the only one he's tried to discredit. He'ss like Vince and thinks anyone that isn't a muscle head has no place in wrestling like always going off on Zayn, Balor and Breeze for exampl. It's really not all that surprising though after he pushed has-beens over the young amazing roster TNA once had.
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Old 12-26-2015, 08:39 AM   #152
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Russo's talking points seem to be mostly just things that Vince McMahon taught him around 20 years ago (e.g. don't cater to the die hard fans on the internet because they will watch no matter what). He will admit he doesn't know much about the matches themselves usually but apparently with Owens and Carl Oulette he magically gained more insight.
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Old 12-28-2015, 05:53 PM   #153
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I'm listening to the Russo podcast now.

I'm just now getting up to the part where he is talking about rusev and the U.S. Title but up until this point I think everything he's said is right (though it's mostly just the same stuff we all complain about)
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:17 PM   #154
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I meant to post this earlier, but last week on Flair's podcast he did commentary on his RR win from 1992. He did it like Austin did his where you can follow along while he watches. Now I haven't listened yet, because I haven't had the time, but I'm curious if anyone else has, and would like to know if it was any good
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Old 01-26-2016, 07:02 PM   #155
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Why do people still listen to Russo? In 2016. Seriously!?
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Old 01-28-2016, 05:27 AM   #156
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Odd thing about the Lapsed Fan: I swear that the two co-hosts never just sort of lightly chuckle at something. They're either 100% not laughing or they're absolutely uncontrollably losing their **** over how something funny was. That's...not particularly normal.
It might amuse you that we have a bit of beef with these guys currently.

It obviously goes with out saying that our shows are way better than theirs for basically everything. We were happy recently to get an award for the feed beating even Meltzer's own one.

Lapsed Fan are the worst.
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Old 01-28-2016, 05:35 AM   #157
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It might amuse you that we have a bit of beef with these guys currently.
Curious why and what the face/heel dynamic is.

The past week or so I've been listening to the WM 30 week journey for a second time while grinding poker. I'm on VII right now. I like them up until they hit "the deep dive". Sometimes a bit too obnoxious but meh. I like hearing what was going on behind the scenes at the time and also hearing Meltzer on the WM and now the Starrcade shows.

Searched your name itt so I'm going to go check out your stuff
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Old 01-28-2016, 11:13 AM   #158
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I meant to post this earlier, but last week on Flair's podcast he did commentary on his RR win from 1992. He did it like Austin did his where you can follow along while he watches. Now I haven't listened yet, because I haven't had the time, but I'm curious if anyone else has, and would like to know if it was any good
1992 RR is one of my favorite matches ever, so this was pretty great for me. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Old 01-28-2016, 11:14 AM   #159
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If you want an accessible entry point, try one of our recent Where the Big Boys Play reviews -- Beach Blast #92 maybe. We start every review going through the relevent Observers between the last show and this one, and then review the card. It takes 2 hours, not 5.

For reasons I don't entirely understand, on their past few shows they have called us out and seem to want to start a podcast war.


I am told that on a recent show they read out a forum post I wrote in which I gave (really some pretty good advice) to a young guy who was asking how to make his own podcast more successful in a mocking voice. I thought it was a basically sensible post.

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I have some pointers here, at least ones I've always held to myself. These aren't directed at anyone in particular, just things I'd recommend to anyone looking to make a podcast more successful.

1. USP. What is your unique selling point? When I started WTBBP, for example, I knew that the WWF PPVs chronologically had been done already -- by Scott and Justin on the Place to Be podcast -- but WCW PPVs had not been done. And that is still the only podcast on the net to start at Starrcade 83 and move forward. So there has to be a novel hook in and of itself around the show concept -- just "talking about wrestling" won't cut it, because well, Meltzer, Austin and so on are right there. Need to have something to make someone tune in, in the first place. In wrestling, modern WWE is going to be the most saturated area, and so to carve out a unique niche might be difficult.

2. Focus. So you've got them to actually listen through the USP, but then you have to actually get them to keep listening. I think a lot of people on homebrew shows spend too much time shooting the **** at the top -- I try to get down to business no later than 3 minutes in. Most people don't tune in to hear guys shooting the ****, they want actual content. So stick to the topic and stay focused on that topic. People have downloaded primiarily because of that USP, not because they want to hear your political views, how funny you are, or anything else.

3. Get the stuff over, not yourself over. Again, content is king, and that is the focus, your personality will come through naturally via discussion of that, but it is never the selling point of the show. Remember hardcore fans turned off Jim Cornette podcasts in their droves because he didn't understand this and point 2, and he's Jim Cornette. None of us are Jim Cornette.

4. Maintain good production values / audio quality. If you record in an actual radio studio, this won't be an issue, but as annoying as technical complaints are for podcast producers, if you can't spend the time trying to ensure the audio quality is as good as possible, then you can't expect people to spend their time listening.

5. Be consistent, keep going and don't obsess over listening numbers. The drive for doing a show should not be to grab listeners, it should first and foremost be because you enjoy doing it. If there is something worth listening to, it will find its audience. I have honestly maintained that I don't care at all how many people do and don't listen. Shows will find their natural audience. The one listener who actually cares about what you are discussing is probably worth more than 10 complete randoms. WTBBP has more than twice the listenership of All Japan Excite Series, for example, I don't care. I am having fun exploring 90s AJPW and those people who listen to that show de facto share that interest. Titans of Wrestling discusses an era and promotion that 90%+ of fans, hardcore or otherwise, do not give a **** about. It has still found an audience. But it's just plugging away.

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I think advice out there tends to focus on marketing, visibility, social media and so on -- none of these things have ever been a core focus for PWO-PTBN Podcast Network, I mean there's a bit, but the core focus is on content and quality. I maintain that there's no point concentrating on marketing if the core product isn't worth listening to.

Anyway, just my two cents. People have different philosphies, but that's mine. "Success" is also relative. I'd rather have 10 dedicated listeners to 100 I never hear from. You aren't ever going to draw numbers like a Steve Austin.
Now, our feed has had over 450,000 plays and 33,000 downloads. I felt this advice was coming from a good place.



Yet apparently they spent almost 20 minutes of a recent show ****ting all over it.

I dunno, for stuff like that they have zero respect in the circles I move in.
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Old 01-28-2016, 11:22 AM   #160
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I wouldn't bother responding to them personally. I haven't listened to LF much, but they made a big point of saying "they do this for themselves" and not for the fans, so I don't know why they would go out of their way to attempt to diss some competition. Honestly, I wouldn't even go there with them and keep doing your thing.

Good luck, I'll be tuning in.
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Old 01-28-2016, 02:01 PM   #161
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I'll give that Beach Blast 92 a shot since that's one of the very best ppvs in wrestling history. I watched the Cactus vs. Sting match last week. Holds up. Easily ****1/2+.
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Old 01-28-2016, 04:24 PM   #162
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I will subscribe today and listen on my commute home lord
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Old 01-29-2016, 12:51 AM   #163
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Pwtorch is really good for anyone looking to listen to some new stuff btw
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Old 01-29-2016, 01:51 AM   #164
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Pwtorch is really good for anyone looking to listen to some new stuff btw
Agreed
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Old 01-29-2016, 07:17 PM   #165
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Anyone here a fan of Live Audio Wrestling? Especially the shows that John Pollock and Wai Ting are on? (Review-A-Raw and Review-A-Wai).

Very enjoyable
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Old 01-29-2016, 08:04 PM   #166
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Review-a-wai off the fight network is a really good wrestling podcast featuring John Pollock and Wai Ting. They recap the current product every week (Raw + TNA with a side of SD on occasion) and then throw in random old event reviews (both good and hilariously terrible) and interviews. The two of them do a pretty good job of being level headed about how the product is. It's not something where they just love everything or **** on it all.

The archive of some old events can be found here: http://lawradio.proboards.com/thread...ew-wai-archive

The archive of Review-a-Raw's can be found here:
http://lawradio.proboards.com/thread...ew-raw-archive


It's the only wrestling podcast I listen to.
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Anyone here a fan of Live Audio Wrestling? Especially the shows that John Pollock and Wai Ting are on? (Review-A-Raw and Review-A-Wai).

Very enjoyable
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still the best place to get a level headed review of current product. lots of places to go to get people d!!!!ddddd$$$$ ing about how amazing everything is no matter what and lots of places to go to get people over the top ****ting on everything no matter what, but LAW/RAW do a great job of praising good segments/finding positive things in ****ty segments while still (hilariously) destroying the terrible stuff.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:09 PM   #167
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steve austin's family friendly podcast has a very good breakdown of the RAW where mick foley won the title off the rock. dives into every little detail about the match (stuff we don't typically think about) in breaking down why the match felt so big and why he got such a big pop when he came to the ring to help mick win. highly recommended.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:24 PM   #168
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Anyone here a fan of Live Audio Wrestling? Especially the shows that John Pollock and Wai Ting are on? (Review-A-Raw and Review-A-Wai).

Very enjoyable
My favorite by far. I've tried listening to a couple others but always came back to LAW. Bauer and Pollock is really good too for information and takes on stuff outside the ring.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:29 AM   #169
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Everybody should listen to TLF: Starrcade 1991, Part 1 at 2:35:15-2:38:50. A fan writes an e-mail that's lyrics to the Stan song by Eminem from Vince to Austin. Whichever guy does the great Vince impression sings the lyrics. So ****ing funny. My favorite part was the line "i blade myself just to see how much it bleeds". Of course, the original line is "i cut myself". I died.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:32 AM   #170
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Will definitely check that out.

I'm in the middle of Lapsed Fan's review of WCW World War 3 1995, and have laughed harder at this one than I laugh at most.
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Old 02-17-2016, 01:13 PM   #171
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Will definitely check that out.

I'm in the middle of Lapsed Fan's review of WCW World War 3 1995, and have laughed harder at this one than I laugh at most.
Yeah that's a really really good episode
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Old 02-17-2016, 01:41 PM   #172
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Amazing that these two guys with no budget can put out 6-7 hours of content a week that rarely feels like filler, and a billion dollar company with hundreds of employees can't put out 3 hours without most of it seeming pointless.
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Old 02-17-2016, 02:06 PM   #173
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To be fair, like 80% of it is spent doubled over from laughter at their own jokes.

(I obviously enjoy the show anyway.)
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Old 02-17-2016, 03:00 PM   #174
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For people that don't think they are funny, the heavy laughing must be horrible. For people that do find them quite funny, it has a similar effect to giving the crowd time to react to a spot as opposed to immediately doing another one.
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Old 02-17-2016, 11:34 PM   #175
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For people that don't think they are funny, the heavy laughing must be horrible.
Yep.

To be fair, I have legit LOL'd at a few of their bits, but more often than not I just get really annoyed.
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