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Old 01-02-2017, 06:58 AM   #326
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A bump for STONE COLD! STONE COLD! STONE COLD! On his last Unleashed podcast, he interviewed Eric Embry. Now, I can't be the only person on this board that rushed home from school every day to watch AWA then World Class and finally GWF at 3pm on ESPN...right?

If you did indeed watch those shows then you probably remember Eric Embry as a top star in the WC and GWF territory (Texas). The thing I remember most about him is his feud vs. the Skandar Akbar led Devastation Inc. which I always thought was great. He talks about anything and everything from 77-92. It's quite interesting to hear the story of a guy who was a booker (of multiple territories) during the territory era. They talk about one angle that I vividly remember because I was ~10 and saw Fritz Von Erich "have a heart attack" after a cage match at World Class's annual big show.

Eric epitomizes the southern gentleman. He seems like one of the most chill and nicest people you could ever meet in your life. Austin made it seem as if there will be a part two in 1-2 months because there were some subjects that he couldn't get to in the 90 minute conversation.
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Old 01-04-2017, 07:44 PM   #327
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File this under strange, but Ric Flair has ended his podcast. Out of nowhere again just like the first one
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:48 PM   #328
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TLF put out the last episode of the AWA series last night, "The Postscript". The series was great btw. In it, they mention that WWE obtained the AWA tape library for $3MM. To my knowledge, WWE paid only $2.4MM for the rights to WCW, names, and the tape library. They didn't pay more for the AWA tape library than all of WCW, right? How is that even possible?

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Austin did have him back on 3-6 weeks later where the entire second half of the cast was dedicated to talking about Brody's death as he was a booker in Puerto Rico at the time.
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Old 03-04-2017, 06:57 PM   #329
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Did the TLF guys mention what they're doing next?
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Old 03-04-2017, 07:00 PM   #330
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Well not specifically but per the episode before Royal Rumble 97, they said they'd return to patreon requests and do one selection of their own per month.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:57 PM   #331
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If those numbers are accurate, I can believe that. Without knowing the AWA situation, I assume that the tapes were bought from Verne or his family. And I have heard plenty of stories where Vince has helped out old school wrestling guys before, and overpaying a little for the library wouldn't be out of the norm for him. Again I know nothing of the situation, I am simply coming up with a plausible scenario for why he paid more for AWA than WCW.

Or he may have made a really great deal with AOL/Time Warner/Turner for the WCW library
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Old 03-04-2017, 11:18 PM   #332
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Searching for some more information about Verne and Greg declaring bankruptcy in 1993 and I found this:

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The value of the tapes is no surprise, because in essence, like baseball cards, they are only as valuable as the amount someone is willing to pay for them.

I asked Meltzer one time how much he got for the library.....it may have been in the Observer, too.....(i don't remember)......but the amount was $570,000 or something like that.

Some have stated Verne got $1 million, but irregardless, he got six figures+ one way or the other.
*I'd posted the link to give credit but it appears to not be a secure link*

I found this at a more trustworthy link:
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When WWE purchased the AWA tape library in 2003 from the Gagne family, it was for a price of $3 million, reports the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.
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On March 23rd, 2001 Vince McMahon/World Wrestling Federation Entertainment Inc. purchased World Championship Wrestling, the contracts of 24 undercard Wrestlers and the entire WCW video tape library for a paltry US$2.2 Million
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Old 03-05-2017, 08:35 AM   #333
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wwe probably worked out a deal because wcw still owed x amount of millions to the wrestlers in contracts and wwe buying them out meant wwe had to pay those contracts off so wwe probably paid considerably more than 2.2 mil for wcw but the money went to the boys instead of aol time warner
i think.....
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Old 03-07-2017, 03:22 PM   #334
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LKJ, just announced on the Twitters of TLF was an episode dropping on Friday: In Your House: Final Four
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:19 PM   #335
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LKJ, just announced on the Twitters of TLF was an episode dropping on Friday: In Your House: Final Four
Hellllls yeah. Can't wait to listen again. I'm not an awa fan so been without TLF for like 2 months.
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:30 PM   #336
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Yeah, saw that Twitter post as well. Looking forward to this one, especially since they'll do justice to Shawn Michaels and the case of the lost smile.
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:34 PM   #337
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Hellllls yeah. Can't wait to listen again. I'm not an awa fan so been without TLF for like 2 months.
You didn't need to be an AWA fan to enjoy that. Even if you just listen to the Part 1s for each show, it's really fascinating
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:53 PM   #338
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You didn't need to be an AWA fan to enjoy that. Even if you just listen to the Part 1s for each show, it's really fascinating
I'll add them to my backlog then. I tend to skip over the events I haven't seen because part of the joy in listening is the "Oh yeah, I remember that" moments
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You didn't need to be an AWA fan to enjoy that. Even if you just listen to the Part 1s for each show, it's really fascinating
This. I'd never seen any of the events and was never a fan but the casts were great. Informative and extremely funny with the 3 main announcers (which included "Shagger" Lee Marshall in the last episode). I did, however, actually go to watch Hogan's entrance from Super Sunday 83. Watch at 1:34:47 through the introductions. Hogan was godly even back then.



tbh, I'm sad we don't get Larry Nelson or Rod Trongard again. When Jack read out of Nelson's book in pt. 1 of Super Clash 1, I ****ing lost it. Then it comes full circle in the Super Clash 3 pt. 2 episode with the clip of him saying "I'm getting paid to stand back here and stand next to gorgeous women" before the lingerie battle royal. He is gold.

Also, "The Pinky Ring Mafia" and "Greg Gagne is the biggest loser ever" is worth listening to every minute for.

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Old 03-07-2017, 06:08 PM   #340
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In it, they mention that WWE obtained the AWA tape library for $3MM. To my knowledge, WWE paid only $2.4MM for the rights to WCW, names, and the tape library. They didn't pay more for the AWA tape library than all of WCW, right? How is that even possible?
This is a pure guess. But the AWA was around a lot longer than WCW, so there could simply be more footage to be purchased. WCW only started in the late 80s/early 90s. AWA goes back to the 60s.

That said, it really shouldn't be more valuable considering footage from the 60s and 70s simply should be worth less than footage from the 80s and 90s. Could be the fact that some of WWF's biggest stars (namely Hogan, HBK, and, to a lesser extent, the Road Warriors) came from the AWA and WWE wanted that footage.
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Old 03-07-2017, 09:07 PM   #341
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Jack mentioned that 960 hours were turned over to the Classics station that those were aired on. Perhaps that's all of them? I do agree with you, it's not as valuable. That stuff is much older and AWA wasn't nearly as popular for as long as NWA/WCW.
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:22 PM   #342
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Just saw this in my ****ing recommended videos. For the truly lapsed, you'll know why this speech is epic. I believe they go in depth on this speech in the This Tuesday in Texas episode and one other. I feel like that one other is the WM year during which they graduated which I think is 17, 18, or 19 but pretty sure it's 18.

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Old 03-18-2017, 08:38 AM   #343
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I just finished up listening to Bruce Prichard's podcast this week on Roddy Piper, and he said a couple things I found interesting. First he was talking about the Piper's Pit with Brother Love and Morton Downy Jr from WM 5. Bruce said that after he was chased from the ring, it was supposed to be a quick deal with Downey blowing the smoke and Piper using the extinguisher on him. But they both decided to go into business for themselves and it went way long. Prichard claimed it went 15-20 minutes too long, but I don't remember that. He also said that afterwards when Piper was going up the ramp to the back, the agents had to step in and stop Downey from going after him.

The other thing was from WM XII. Everyone knows that it was supposed to be Goldust and Razor working, but Razor felt uncomfortable about working with Goldust, so they put Piper in. What Bruce said was that they had previously had plans for Piper at XII. They had conversations with OJ Simpson about bringing him in to do a match with Piper. Prichard claims OJ was going willing to get squashed in some sort of "justice", but Vince finally thought better of it before it went any further
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:47 AM   #344
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There's about 0% of me that believes that second item.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:37 AM   #345
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Usually I would be in agreement with you on something like this, but one of my markers for deciding if someone isn't being honest is whether or not the have something to gain, even indirectly, by lying. Here, there really was nothing for him to gain. He wasn't trying to take any credit for coming up with or talking Vince out of the idea. He just used it as background for the XII story.

Now with that said, if a ton of people come out later and say it's totally fabricated, I would not be shocked. Nor do I think Prichard tells the truth even close to 100% of the time, but you can usually have an idea when something is either a lie or exaggerated. I just didn't get that feeling during this particular story
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:20 AM   #346
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He seems to just spin tall tales out of thin air.

This is him telling a story from the very first Royal Rumble. Cliffs: he says he's the one who wrote that whole match, but that he screwed up and forgot to write where Rick Martel should be eliminated. Suddenly in the middle of the match they realized that Martel was just still out there and that they hadn't accounted for when he was supposed to go away. Pat Patterson was flipping out and saying, "What the hell is Martel still doing in there??" Realizing the issue, they told the next person to go out and eliminate him.

Slight problem: Martel was not in the first Royal Rumble. He was in the next two, but neither one seems to have facts that can align with this story. The '91 Rumble at least has facts that can square with Martel hanging around longer than he was meant to, though it doesn't square with one of the late arrivers going in and knocking him out; he was eliminated by Bulldog, and Bulldog was in for an eternity before eliminating him.

There might have been kernels of truth in the Martel story, but I just don't find him trustworthy. (I do not buy that Hulk Hogan was originally to take on "Sheik Tugboat" at WrestleMania VII in the main event.)
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:36 AM   #347
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Usually I would be in agreement with you on something like this, but one of my markers for deciding if someone isn't being honest is whether or not the have something to gain, even indirectly, by lying. Here, there really was nothing for him to gain. He wasn't trying to take any credit for coming up with or talking Vince out of the idea. He just used it as background for the XII story.
He just started his podcast and these stories get talked about and put his name out there. He absolutely has something to gain by talking **** on a podcast, a lot of people have made careers out of it.
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Old 03-18-2017, 11:47 AM   #348
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More than any business motive, my suspicion is that he's just one of those people who spins ridiculous yarns for whatever social rewards people get out of doing that. I'm sure we've all encountered people who have lots of crazy stories, and that the stories are all about 5-10% true at best.

My best guess on this OJ Simpson thing is that it was as small as someone making an off-the-cuff joke about it one day in a meeting, and over time Prichard went from repeating the joke to expanding the story more and more until it had fully grown and transformed into "they had conversations with OJ about doing this, and OJ was willing to be squashed."
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He just started his podcast and these stories get talked about and put his name out there. He absolutely has something to gain by talking **** on a podcast, a lot of people have made careers out of it.
TBF, the podcast is getting close to being around for a year, and it's consistently the #1 wrestling podcast, and usually in the top 10 or 15 of all sports podcasts, so just making something like this up doesn't make too much sense.

Like I said earlier, I don't believe everything he says on his shows, and even his co host doesn't and calls him out on a lot of his bull****. I just think this tings with a little truth. Even the part where WM XII fell in between the criminal trial and civil trial so OJ was looking for any type of payday lends itself to being at least somewhat truthful. And again I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of people came out and said it was all or mostly false, I'm just relaying my feelings on it
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:19 PM   #350
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I'd be more likely to believe the WM 12 story if he had said OJ was the one to think better of it and pull out. I don't buy that Vince at that time would say no to that.
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