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04-29-2017 , 07:34 PM
Booker T botch is a great blooper.
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04-29-2017 , 07:34 PM
Greg Valentine's racist promo would be a strong pick: https://youtu.be/aSRUJ9XQC-o
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04-29-2017 , 07:39 PM
Apologies if I missed it, but did anyone take the Robin Hood Nitro? One of the most ridiculous examples of WCW bait and switch all around.
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04-29-2017 , 07:48 PM
What's the Robin Hood Nitro? Is that when they were having Sting/Hogan contract signing?
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04-29-2017 , 07:54 PM
Seven's debut is another one I thought about picking: https://youtu.be/P4zsyUmRTRo
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04-29-2017 , 08:02 PM
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Seven's debut is another one I thought about picking: https://youtu.be/P4zsyUmRTRo
I love that in the background of him talking there's a ~6 year old kid with a ****ing NWO shirt on next to his leather jacket wearing dad. Also funny that Russo was the person who scrapped this character as he had come in after the vignettes but prior to the debut of and decided to have him shoot instead.
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04-29-2017 , 08:05 PM
They built up a Hogan/Giant match for 3 hours, BSed their way out of making it a title match, then announced they were going to overrun their timeslot, but they would show the match during the commercials of TNT's new Robin Hood show.

In a similar vein, there was a WCW PPV that overran and the main event got cut from the broadcast, only to be shown for free on Nitro the next night. Believe it was DDP/Goldberg and was actually a decent match that got cut for some other garbage.
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04-29-2017 , 08:06 PM
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What's the Robin Hood Nitro? Is that when they were having Sting/Hogan contract signing?
I Think it was the Nitro that aired before the debut of TNT's latest flop Robin Hood. I also think they promised to air a Giant/Hogan world title match during the commercials of that show, and made a 4 minute match seem like it went an hour. It was terrible. I also may be leaving something out
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04-29-2017 , 08:09 PM
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In a similar vein, there was a WCW PPV that overran and the main event got cut from the broadcast, only to be shown for free on Nitro the next night. Believe it was DDP/Goldberg and was actually a decent match that got cut for some other garbage.
I recently watched this and it was a fantastic match, for Goldberg. Went 12-13 minutes and had direction in it. At this point in time, I believe the "other garbage" that the ppv would've gotten cut off for is the replay of the Halloween Havoc event (it was HH 98) as whenever a wrestling ppv aired, a replay would air immediately afterward.
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04-29-2017 , 08:11 PM
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Greg Valentine's racist promo would be a strong pick: https://youtu.be/aSRUJ9XQC-o
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04-29-2017 , 08:12 PM
Anyway it feels like the walls of the dam have burst on the free-for-all, so I guess that's on.
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04-29-2017 , 08:15 PM
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LKJ, observe this, brother, I have no idea what part 2 could be
I was going to write up the ridiculous end to the event, with Hogan crapping all over Savage's title win and bitching so badly that the crowd boos him out of the building despite him being a babyface at the time. It works mostly in tandem with the segment to start the show; as a stand-alone not as much.
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04-29-2017 , 08:15 PM
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I recently watched this and it was a fantastic match, for Goldberg. Went 12-13 minutes and had direction in it. At this point in time, I believe the "other garbage" that the ppv would've gotten cut off for is the replay of the Halloween Havoc event (it was HH 98) as whenever a wrestling ppv aired, a replay would air immediately afterward.
Yup. Imo it was the best match Goldberg ever had.
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04-29-2017 , 08:16 PM
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I recently watched this and it was a fantastic match, for Goldberg. Went 12-13 minutes and had direction in it. At this point in time, I believe the "other garbage" that the ppv would've gotten cut off for is the replay of the Halloween Havoc event (it was HH 98) as whenever a wrestling ppv aired, a replay would air immediately afterward.

Yeah it was a Halloween Havoc show. By "other garbage" I meant there was probably a 30 minute Buff Bagwell or Horace Hogan match earlier in the night and WCW can't plan out their shows to avoid having to cut off a decent main event.
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04-29-2017 , 08:20 PM
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Booker T botch is a great blooper.
It is a tremendous one. I just figured that stuff that was purely unplanned (either by the company or by the performer) wasn't really the point of this draft, and that botches were more of an enhancement to something that was already an awful idea to begin with.
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04-29-2017 , 08:23 PM
A couple of years ago, I wanted to watch some awful WCW shows so I fired up SuperBrawl 2000. Of course, this was Russo, and there will be a pole match. The object in question? Tank Abbott's leather jacket. It was stolen by Big Al in the weeks leading up to this epic showdown. Abbott wins the match. After the match: Tank takes a real knife to his opponents throat on the outside of the ring.

Russo wanted him to do something wacky and give him an after match gimmick. Tank comes up with the knife idea. Russo later hands him a fake knife. Tank thinks it looks too fake so he gets a real ****ing knife and puts it to this guy's throat and says "I could ****in' kill ya". The announcers are baffled by what the **** is happening with Mark Madden saying "does he have a knife to his throat?!?!?" while we go to a wide shot to get the **** away from the situation and then go to the back. So here's the 10 seconds of madness:



Keep in mind, this wasn't to be a one time thing until Tank showed up with a real knife. He was going to pull out a plastic knife after matches and put it to people's throats.
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04-29-2017 , 08:35 PM
I don't know if this was so bad or memorable enough to warrant getting picked, but a really stupid, idiotic thing that popped into my head during the draft was Jillian Hall's gimmick where she had a nasty growth on her face.



She ended up being a "fixer"/PR consultant for MNM and JBL and there were a bunch of cringe segments revolving around the growth, iirc. Eventually it got eaten off her face by The Boogeyman, whose entire WWE career probably could have been picked in this draft.

Then Hall moved on to having a terrible singer gimmick later in her WWE run. It was not great to be a woman in this company before the "divas revolution" imo.
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04-29-2017 , 08:45 PM
Holy **** at that Tank Abbott thing.
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04-29-2017 , 09:00 PM
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Holy **** at that Tank Abbott thing.
Yeah I had never seen that before. Easily worth at least a 3rd round pick.
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04-29-2017 , 11:26 PM
I see your Tank Abbott and raise you New Jack (how the hell did this guy ever get work) literally stabbing a guy nine times during a match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nLN301mIPQ
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04-29-2017 , 11:36 PM
I thought about also mentioning that along with the fall with Vic Grimes on an ECW ppv (I believe Living Dangerously 2000) that led to brain matter coming out of Jack's head and the loss of sight in his right eye, and New Jack attempting to kill him in a scaffold match in XPW. He actually said in a shoot interview his intention was to get Vic to hit the ring post and hoped it would kill him. Luckily for Vic, his fall led to only having a broken ankle.
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04-29-2017 , 11:41 PM
I don't think anyone would ever pick this in a draft, since we are in free-for-all now, I would think Antonio Inoki going really insane with his Inokism tendencies that dragged NJPW down in the 2000s is worth a shout-out. I didn't follow them around that time, but I read enough stories about it that I think I can make a good write-up of it. No videos though. Just TL;DR. I'll just put the spoilers now for those curious.

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Here's a good sum-up of NJPW's dark ages in the 2000s from reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc..._ages_of_njpw/

Now, here's my bad write-up. A little background, for those that do not know, in the 90s, Japanese wrestling, puroresu, would be at an all-time high hotspot in Japan and the leading promotions were AJPW (headlined by the Four Pillars of Heaven selling out Budokan Hall almost every month of the year and drawing a million dollars in the gate) and NJPW (headlined by the Three Musketeers: The Great Muta, Masahiro Chono, and Shinya Hashimoto where NJPW would legit sellout the January 4th Tokyo Dome shows, drawing 50k+ people as opposed to around 25k people that the modern NJPW are doing now, which is still good than what happens in the 2000s, but more on that later. At one point in the 90s, I really believe that NJPW and AJPW were better than WWF/WCW in terms of match quality and making money. So what happened in the 2000s?

Well, in the late 90s and 2000s, to my recollection, MMA in Japan was really getting a strong footing and NJPW founder Antonio Inoki really has a big boner when it comes to that stuff when it comes to legit fighting and proving that pro wrestlers, preferably his wrestlers, were the best shoot fighters. So he decided to send Yuji Nagata, some might recall that name when he wrestled in WCW, who had a strong amateur wrestling background, but hasn't really trained for that in years to have an MMA fight with Fedor Emelianenko and Mirko Cro Cop. Nagata would lose both fights in about a minute in the first round, effectively ruining his credibility and drawing power during his prime years in NJPW.

So Inoki decided to then actually bring MMA fighters to NJPW and put them over the actual wrestlers. He also decided to push Shinsuke Nakamura at the age of 23 to win the IWGP Heavyweight Champion, becoming the youngest to do so and this was a decade before he became Swagsuke that we all know and love. He was more of a dull wrestler at the time with a strong shoot background and MMA record with no charisma/personality (shocking, I know). Another thing that really devalued the IWGP Heavyweight Championship was having Bob Sapp (one of the biggest names in MMA in Japan at the time) win the title. Now Sapp winning the title wasn't bad, per se. I mean putting a big name in Japan at the time would raise credibility to a company. He had this video for crying out loud showing how big of a deal he is.



So, why did the IWGP heavyweight championship get devalued? Well, Sapp lost an MMA fight while being the IWGP Champion. So then, he vacated the title after he lost the fight thus partially ruining the IWGP title.

The NJPW crowds did not really like the idea of bringing MMA fighters (since they weren't really entertaining wrestlers) and didn't like those fighters going over guys like Yuji Nagata and Hiroyoshi Tenzan. So the crowds started dwindling to the point where the 01/04 Tokyo Dome shows were at an all-time low. The lowest crowd it had was 18,000 people in 2007 and maybe 18,000 came to the show, but I doubt all 18,000 paid for the show showing how bad NJPW was in the 2000s. It was actually named Worst Wrestling Promotion by WON in 2004 and 2005 (compared that to where they were named best promotion from 2012-onwards showing how much traction they've been getting).

It came to that people were so sick of Inoki's boner for putting wrestlers in MMA fights and losing those fights and losing their drawing power and pushing MMA wrestlers to the moon (while being not so great wrestlers) and he lost his grasp in ownership of NJPW and was removed from power in I think 2007 or 2008. It's like if Brawl-for-all was a longer-lasting thing and actually ruined a prominent wrestling promotion.

Eventually, with new ownership and some timing and some luck and a new booker named Gedo and a tremendous wrestler name Hiroshi Tanahashi that wants to change the perception of NJPW at the time and making some good pushes to promising wrestlers, NJPW rebounded themselves to being the clear-cut #2 wrestling promotion in the world as we know today.

TL;DR. I will say LOL Inoki for pushing MMA into a wrestling promotion and backfiring in the worst way possible, ruining a promising promotion.
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04-30-2017 , 12:00 AM
Thank god for Hiroshi Tanahashi. I did some reading about this a month or two ago and it just sounded dreadful. Having a card of half MMA matches and half pro wrestling matches where the pro wrestlers fought real MMA fighters...good god no. This was like The Brawl For All on steroids.

When I first saw you mention Antonio Inoki, I thought for sure you were posting the legit knockout by Inoki on The Great Antonio:


4:30-5:20

Then there was Akira Maeda in the late 80's who kicked Riki Choshu in the face in a tag match breaking his orbital bone which resulted in him being fired. Especially awful because Choshu had Maeda's partner in position for a sharpshooter when Maeda just gave him a kick in the face (think Bryan's kick when opponent on their knees).

edit: Daily Motion video appropriatly named, "Maeda breaks Choshu's face":
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yj9gk

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04-30-2017 , 12:31 AM
Apologies if this was picked.

Muhammad Hassan's terrorist-like attack on Undertaker.


Wow, a fake terrorist beheading sounds really bad but why is this WOAT you ask?

It aired the same day as terrorist attacks in london. A segment so bad with such backlash they didn't air it europe. Not only was the character barely heard from again (he sporadically showed up until undertaker beat him down at the PPV then he was immediately sent down for repackaging) it also gave WWE an immediate worldwide PR fiasco worse than United's best efforts.

Further, the biggest loser in the mess wasn't WWE but Copani, since plans were to make him youngest world heavyweight champ ever and instead he gets released a few months later and is never heard from again as he immediately retired from wrestling.

A segment so terrible, character is gone soon, guy who played it immediately retires, and company getting worldwide scorn.
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04-30-2017 , 12:33 AM
Man, Inoki taking down that big blob of a guy was also a good shoutout. That blob seemed very uncooperative to where Inoki had it with being nice and bringing in the hard kicks and stomps.

Well, while we're at Inoki, I might as well shoutout one more bad Inoki moment. Inoki vs Ali in the 70s.

I don't know too much about the backstory behind why Antonio Inoki vs Muhammad Ali materalized. There's probably a good article somewhere (found it).

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...y-of-ali-inoki

Apparently, Ali vs Inoki was suppose to be pretty much like a typical wrestling-like match. Structuring some spots and having a pre-determined winner. Of course, Inoki is a bat-**** insane dude at times and really wants to prove that pro-wrestlers are the greatest fighters, hence NJPW's tagline is "The King of Sports". Ali came to Japan, meet up with Inoki, while he was training, and wanted to know how this match is structured, and Inoki was all, "This is a legit fight," and Ali and his entourage saw Inoki and train and they are thinking, "Holy cow. This dude is bat-**** insane and may legit hurt Ali the first chance he gets." So they decided to throw some restrictions on Inoki to protect Ali.

All right, so the match actually happens (I haven't seen footage of it, but from what I'm reading, I probably don't want to), and Inoki, with the restrictions in play, can only the one thing he can do which was to lay on the floor and kick the bleep out of Ali's legs while Ali can't lay a punch and from what I read, it was actually a dull thing to watch. The crowd in Budokan Hall did not like it. Here's how they reacted in the aftermath based on the article I linked.

"The crowd at the Budokan started throwing rubbish into the ring and chanting "Money back! Money back!" According to Donn Draeger, "the Budokan janitorial people took almost a full day to clean up the garbage that was hurled at the two 'combatants' as the result of their lousy performance.""

Ali's legs were very messed-up in the aftermath affecting his mobility in whatever future fights he would have. Oddly enough, after the farce of fight, Ali and Inoki became good friends it seems, presumably until Ali passed away.

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