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04-16-2017 , 04:30 PM
The Lunchtime Suicide Series with Tim White



The angle started in December of 2005, when White was interviewed by Josh Matthews at a bar during the Armageddon PPV White was shown drinking massive amounts of alcohol, claiming that the recent Hell in a Cell match had ruined his life. The segment ended with White pulling out a shotgun and apparently attempting to kill himself off-screen. This segment occurred less than one month after Eddie Gurerreo's death. As bad as that segment was, what makes it worse is that WWE decided to continue the storyline, filming 15 more videos with White attempting to kill himself each time. So yeah, basically WWE thought suicide would be a good topic to use as a reoccurring comedy segment. Here are the videos:

https://www.youtube.com/user/RefTimWhite/videos
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04-16-2017 , 04:38 PM
Judy Bagwell on a Pole Match



Another example of the beauty of 2000 WCW. Kanyon was stalking Bagwell's mother to play mind games with him. He kidnapped her, and thus we have a Judy on a Pole. Now it was billed as a pole match, but in reality Kanyon actually drove her out on a forklift. His reason was that he searched the country and couldn''t find a pole strong enough to hold her. They brawled in the crowd, they brawled in the ring; just like you would expect if someone stole your mother and put her on a forklift. The match was taken to new heights when everyone's favourite World Heavyweight Champion, David Arquette got himself involved in the match. Arquette smashed Bagwell with a helmet, but it wasn't enough to give Kanyon the win. Bagwell managed a double Block Buster and pinned Kanyon to win back his mother, in the type of touching moment that only Hallmark movies can rival.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2z...kanyon-j_sport
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04-16-2017 , 04:41 PM
Team so far:

David Arquette wins the WCW Title
Booker T. and Big T. feud over the letter "T."
Little People's Court
Lunchtime Suicide Series with Tim White
Judy Bagwell on a Pole Match
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04-16-2017 , 05:11 PM
That ref angle is one of the most inexplicable terrible things, since it was just a stand-alone thing that had nothing to do with any kind of match. I assume Vince thought it was hilarious and everyone else had to uncomfortably roll with it.
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04-16-2017 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
On the phone so I can't do a proper writeup yet but I will

I select

Spoiler:
The Michael Cole v Jerry Lawler feud
I feel like this is a really good one that I probably wouldn't have thought of.

Some of the other angles/moments are so bad they are good in a way, but this was just absolutely pure awfulness.
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04-16-2017 , 07:32 PM
Here's the write up for Undertaker Kills Paul Beaer:

Spoiler:
I don't remember exactly how the feud got started, but somehow The Undertaker was booked in a handicap match against the Dudley Boys, reigning Smackdown Tag Team Champions, managed by Paul Heyman, at the 2004 Great American Bash. Paul had the great idea that if he took Paul Bearer hostage, he could force Undertaker to lose the match on purpose by putting Paul inside a glass box and threatening that if Undertaker didn't "do the right thing" he would fill the box with cement, killing him

Just the idea was stupid on several levels. Why would everyone involved with the WWE just allow Paul Heyman to set up a complex execution live on PPV in front of thousand of people? Is there some kind of statute that says you can't be convicted of murder as long as it happens as part of a wrestling angle? Anyway, it gets worse.

The match begins, and every time Undertaker fights back against the Dudleys, Heyman pulls a lever which increases the amount of concrete in the glass box. By the end of the match, Bearer is covered in cement up to his chest.



Of course, Undertaker refuses to do the right thing, and defeats the Dudleys. Note that despite being one against two, and as I mentioned the two being reigning tag team champions, there was never any doubt that Undertaker could easily win the match at any time he wanted to.

If you don't know what happens next, just watch.



Spoiler:
Paul Heyman goes to pull the lever that will finish covering Bearer in concrete, but Undertaker uses his magic powers to strike the cement truck with lightning. This stops Heyman, saving Bearer's life.

But SWERVE! Undertaker tells Paul he has "no other choice" and to "Rest in Peace" as he pulls the lever himself. The box fills with cement, and the PPV ends with the implication that we the viewers just watched a character get murdered. I can only imagine thousands of little kids watching, who don't yet fully understand that wrestling is 100% fake, being traumatized by thinking they just saw a human being die.

On the next Smackdown, they backtracked a little bit, claiming Paul Bearer wasn't dead, he merely suffered serious injuries. Undertaker explained that he had to do what he did because he couldn't allow his feelings for Paul Bearer to ever be used against him again. So, in order to save Bearer from being ever used for leverage again, he had to "kill" him.


Six years later, Paul Bearer would return, at Undertaker's side, with no mention of being upset in any way about having been buried in cement.
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04-16-2017 , 07:49 PM
Next Pick:

Spoiler:
Fake Diesel and Razor Ramon


Spoiler:
It was a dark time for the WWF. WCW had just signed away Kevin Nash and Scott Hall, kicking off the nWo angle which would lead to a period of Monday Night War dominance. Vince had to do whatever it took to stay afloat, and a lot of his desperate ideas worked. But not this one.

In September of 1996, Jim Ross teased on Monday Night Raw that the WWF was in talks to bring back Diesel and Razor Ramon. Anyone with any knowledge of the business knew this was impossible as Hall and Nash were under contract with WCW for several years. Everyone other than JR denied that any talks were going on, but he was insistent that Diesel and Razor were coming back, and then one week he announced that they would be back on Raw the next week.

And, technically, Diesel and Razor Ramon were back in the WWF. They were just being played by two other wrestlers, Rick Bognar as Razor Ramon, and some guy named Glen Jacobs as Diesel.



Of course, the crowd immediately took a **** over the entire thing. This wasn't like when they replaced Doink. These were very well known and loved characters. You can't just recast them. And they weren't even good impressions. Here's Fake Razor:



Anyway, Fake Razor and Diesel wouldn't stick around very long. I don't know what happened to Rick Bogner, but as you probably know, Glen Jacobs would go on to a much more successful run as a different character,

Spoiler:
Isaac Yankem DDS, Jerry Lawler's evil Dentist.




Spoiler:
Team:
Katie Vick
Death of Mr. McMahon
Winter Roofies Angelina Love
Undertaker Buries Paul Bearer in Cement
Fake Diesel and Razor Ramon
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04-16-2017 , 07:57 PM
Hmm. I wasn't married to it so this was the gentlest snipe ever, but Razor/Diesel 2.0 was where I was leaning. I'll figure something else out.
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04-16-2017 , 08:11 PM
Totally forgot the Dudley boys actually main evented a PPV
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04-16-2017 , 08:47 PM
With my fifth pick, I select…



Spoiler:
With the deepest regrets, and tears that are soaked,
I'm sorry to hear that your dad finally croaked.
He lived a full life, on his own terms,
Soon he'll be buried and eaten by worms.
But if I could have a son as stupid as you,
I would wish for cancer so that I could die too.


Spoiler:
The 1999 feud between The Big Boss Man and the Big Show was among the more ridiculous in company history, not even taking into account the part where the Boss Man was supposed to have died back at WrestleMania earlier in the year. The Big Show's actual father had died IRL previously, but for purposes of this angle, he was still alive and terminally ill at the start. Boss Man hired a fake cop to inform Big Show that his dad had passed away in order to distract Big Show into forfeiting a match to him.

At some point in the chronology, Show's already-dead dad then really did die in kayfabe. Boss Man proceeded to destroy a watch that was some sort of family heirloom that Show had inherited from his dad. He interrupted Show's dad's funeral by dragging the casket away in the middle of the service, highlighted by Show jumping on the casket to try to keep it from being hauled off.



Then Boss Man went to Show's mother and induced her into admitting that she cheated on Show's dad and that Show's dad actually hadn't been his dad after all.

Then Big Show pinned Big Boss Man to retain his title, and with that one successful title defense apparently won the feud.


Spoiler:
Draft:
Fingerpoke of Doom
Giant falls off roof, then immediately wrestles without explanation
Gobbledygooker
Undertaker murders Big Boss Man
Big Boss Man/Big Show feud
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04-16-2017 , 09:05 PM
Torn between two options.

Will pick/write up before I go to bed.
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04-16-2017 , 09:18 PM
That's funny, because I was torn between Diesel/Razor 2.0 and your choice, but I thought I had enough death on my team already.
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04-16-2017 , 09:21 PM
Yeah, I don't love double-dipping into the careers of both Boss Man and Big Show just in the course of five picks, but at the same time it's kind of funny.
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04-16-2017 , 10:23 PM
So, that Trump/Rosie match that I selected in round 3. You may be surprised to learn that it did not win the Wrestling Observer worst match that year. It came in second. What the hell could possibly come in first? This cluster**** that might be the worst match in TNA history. (And yes, I'm aware of the ground that covers)
Spoiler:
The James Storm/Chris Harris Blindfold Match


Spoiler:
For WWE-only fans, you might remember these guys who had two matches each on WWE programming. Knock knock, who's there?

Combined, they were America's Most Wanted, one of TNA's most successful tag teams. Eventually they break up and one of them blinds the other in one eye. They want to fight, but it has to be fair. Rather than forcing Storm to wear an eyepatch or something, at Lockdown 2007, they faced of in a BLINDFOLD MATCH IN A CAGE.


Spoiler:
So the idea of a blindfold match to start with is pants on head ******ed. This should have been done once in history, laughed at and never done again by that or any other promotion. But this is Vince Russo era TNA, where terrible ideas live to fruition.


Spoiler:
To begin, the ref puts hoods on both competitors. They're like KKK hoods, but black. Match starts and not even five seconds in, there is a "Fire Russo" chant. They go about as slow and as cautiously as two people can. First contact between two people is with the ref about a minute in. Great.


Spoiler:
The first real contact between Harris and Storm comes at around the three minute mark, which is well after "we want wrestling" chants started. They manage to work a takedown or two in, and then this happens:



Spoiler:
Harris then makes contact with Storm and Storm's hood flies of for the first of what would be about a half dozen times. Near the end, both competitors start climbing the cage for no reason at all. They start throwing blows (Storm's hood flies off again of course), and then Harris spears Storm despite Storm not really being where he should have been.


Spoiler:
Harris then whips Storm into the ropes. This time Harris' hood comes off and he gets off a full nelson slam into a two count all sans hood. That seems fair. Harris then loses Storm again and then grabs the referee and takes him down (He's wearing pants you idiot).


Spoiler:
Harris isn't done though. He puts the ref in a sharpshooter, and the ref instantly breaks out of it like it's nothing.


Spoiler:
Amidst all that chaos and random "Goldberg" chants, Storm takes off his hood (on purpose this time). He superkicks Harris, puts the hood back on, and gets the three. Thank **** that's over.


Spoiler:
Here is the full match:


Full list:
Spoiler:
  • Drunk Hawk
  • Anonymous Raw GM
  • "Trump" vs "Rosie"
  • Lesnar/Orton finish
  • Harris/Storm blindfold match
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04-16-2017 , 10:55 PM
is it on me?
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04-16-2017 , 10:59 PM
If we're still skipping teejay, yes.
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04-16-2017 , 11:00 PM
Then I am writing it up.
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04-16-2017 , 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SarcasticRat
That ref angle is one of the most inexplicable terrible things, since it was just a stand-alone thing that had nothing to do with any kind of match. I assume Vince thought it was hilarious and everyone else had to uncomfortably roll with it.
Yup, there's really no justification for it. I wasn't watching the product when it was going on, so I tired to research it during my writeup to see if it was part of some bigger angle. It wasn't. Vince just randomly decided to do a suicide storyline involving a referee.
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04-16-2017 , 11:10 PM
Trump/Rosie seemed more skit than match despite technically being a match, but I'm not seeing how this Storm/Harris match was an angle.
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04-16-2017 , 11:28 PM
So you know how wrestling is uh, fake? How everyone knows its fake but pretends it's not fake so they can enjoy the show? Kind of how all other forms of entertainment work? Well in 2000 WCW (we're gonna see this time period and company a lot) they had a small mishap about that whole fake thing.

Spoiler:
My Pick: Goldberg refuses to follow the script


Heading into WCW's New Blood Rising ppv there was scheduled to be a triple threat match between Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner, and Goldberg. The big build up to this match was who was going to win.

Wait! Isn't that the build up to every match? Well, yes and no. See this version is different because the build up was who was going to win the match because of rumors of certain members of talent not wanting to do the job for others. As in, the announce team asking Russo who was going to win the match and Russo responding "The finish of that match will be what's best for this company".

The lead in was filled with with "shoot" interviews and insider terms such as "who is going over". Finally the PPV match happens and we learn that Goldberg had a motorcycle accident the day before. Since rumors were Goldberg didn't want to job (rumors on air by the company I might remind you), this was suspicious. The match starts without Goldberg and Steiner/Nash begin brawling while the announcers declare that since Goldberg isn't here this is going to be a shoot fight. Let me rephrase that: The announcers on the PPV explain to the crowd that his is going to be a shoot fight.

They do this while discussing that Goldberg's injury isn't real. Then Goldberg appears. One of the announcers then brings up how at Starrcade, Nash booked himself to end Goldberg's undefeated streak.

Quote:
Starrcade 88, Goldberg undefeated. Nash, on the booking committee. Two weeks up, and goes over. What do you think?
Nash gets Goldberg in the position to powerbomb him and Goldberg shoves him off and walks out. The announcers begin berating Goldberg for being unprofesisonal. With Goldberg out, the wrestlers - again according to the announce team - had to "improvise" a finish. Even taking time to comment that Midajah in the past "went up for it" referring to a powerbomb from Nash. Finally, Nash powerbombs Steiner and wins while the announce team again says "And he went up for it Goldberg!".

So at this point we have an announce team explaining to fans how every thing they've watched is fake, what a shoot fight is, that Goldberg refused to go up for the finish while others did the job they were supposed to, and how the match had to be improvised because the script wasn't followed by that unprofessional Goldberg. This is enough for an entry, but it's not enough for WCW 2000.

The next night, Russo comes out and explains how Goldberg is a jerk and thinks that he could beat anyone in a real fight when he can't. Russo dared Goldberg to enter the ring then went on to say that Goldberg won't because he doesn't know the script or storyline.

We then get the fun "im gonna fire you if you touch me" storyline going between Goldberg and Russo. Where Russo's henchman - Steiner - threatens to force himself on Goldberg's girlfriend Beth. He doesn't though. He just kidnaps her and brings her to the ring. Goldberg comes out for the save, Jeff Jarrett comes out to beat up Goldberg, Booker T makes a save, Nash and Steiner come out to beat up Goldberg, and the script is broken worse than Matt Hardy.

The announcers next week - still insisting this is a shoot - talk over Russo again threating to fire Goldberg if he touches him. Ignore the fact that Goldberg touched him last week tho. That didn't count because Russo didn't close his eyes, count to 10, and allow Goldberg to hide.

Someone else I have no recollection of beats up Russo for Goldberg, who then takes Russo out to the middle of the desert to bury him alive. I guess you can't fire him if you're dead or something.

Keep in mind, this is all being sold as a total shoot still.

Before Goldberg and his shovel can bury Russo tho, Bret Hart shows up. In the middle of the desert. Bret offers to help bury Russo only to turn on Goldberg and hit him with a shovel. Its a swerve bro!

At the next PPV, the match between Goldberg and Steiner was promoted as having NO SCRIPT. Unlike the rest of the stuff on the card in case anyone still thought it was real to them.

Vince Russo was forced to miss this match due to - again, I am quoting the announce team - requiring Brain surgery.

ITS A SWERVE BRO! RUSSO IS REALLY HERE. And with the help of a bat or a crow bar or something, knocks around Goldberg enough to get put in the Steiner Recliner and lose the match, allowing Russo to win the feud.


I ... I got nothing more to say






Spoiler:
mae young hand
dawn marie seduces then kills torrie's dad
claire lynch
lost in cleveland
goldberg refuses to follow the script
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04-17-2017 , 02:23 AM
There's a couple huge ones I'm really surprised haven't gone yet. Storm/Harris was bad but there's so much trash still out there that I think it's a bit too early.
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04-17-2017 , 04:17 AM
Wow I thought Bossman/Show was a great feud. I remember it fondly as probably the second best thing Show has ever done. To be fair I was a dumb teenager when I really watched it.
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04-17-2017 , 04:38 AM
That Goldberg write-up. I don't even... can't... what

That should be the #1 pick. What the **** WCW
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04-17-2017 , 06:22 AM
That Goldberg angle sounds absolutely incredible. That's my new favorite bad angle that I'd never heard of.
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04-17-2017 , 06:28 AM
That Goldberg angle was high on my list because even though I think the FoD is worse, Russo was what put me over the edge and made me go from a die hard WCW fan to completely hating it. Even with all the rubbish WWE has put out, I've never completely lost all hope like I did when WCW 2000 was happening.
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