Drawing power is a dumb concept to measure for the simple fact that:

1, America is the only market most of us can possibly judge on
2, American mainstream has only been done in a certain way, leading to a huge bias towards WCW and WWF against stuff like ROH, New Japan or some Mexican stuff if anyone drafted any matches from there
3, People were drafting within the space of like 4 decades
4, there is no level playing field due to 1 2 and 3

It kinda ties into my theory that if ROH had the production values and promotion opportunities of the WWE they would be at least as big without changing their booking style at all. Arguably bigger tapping into a lot of shoot fans of MMA who would get into the psychology and athleticism they bring easier than the dumb stories and pointless bull**** the WWE serves up on the reg.

Anyway, ill probably pick a top 3 at some point this week when ive had time to watch some more matches but id lean towards the kind of stuff i drafted so my votes would be pretty niche anyway.

Oh and for the record, sigh at just half a dozen having watched my tag match and SHIMMER match given they are the two things my card brings that no other card can come close to (imo ldo).

Or, maybe, if they had enough fans that actually liked their stuff, they could afford the better production values and promotion opportunities. This works both ways.

2 ECW undrafteds are any RVD vs Jerry Lynn and the 6 man cage match from Gangsta's Paradise . Public Enemy and Mikey Whipwreck vs Sandman, 2 Cold Scorpio and one of the Gangstas

RVD vs Sabu matches were pretty epic when they happened. RVD/Sabu vs Eliminators was also a great string of matches.

Sabu vs Sandman in a "Stairway to hell" match is as entertaining a match as you could ask for. One of the more violent matches from ECW but vv good. Sabu suffers a broken jaw during the match and just tapes his mouth together. "Stairway to hell" = ladder match with barbwire hanging.

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So exactly like a Sledgehammer Ladder match?

This thread showed me that ROH is awesome and theres more wrestling out there than what Vince puts out and TNAids.

I absolutely loved the MCMG vs Briscoes match, and the Danielson/McGuiness one

There's another Danielson/McGuinness match I posted in the past couple days in the Greatest matches thread that's on par with their Unified match.

thx
will check it out

It will be nice in about six more posts when that thread is openable again. So many ****ing embeds means my computer freezes when I try to. New page will fix that though.

so sad. i don't post embedded when i throw them on. i'll link them at post #101.

here is the danielson/mcguinness match i was alluding to.

I almost picked this match as well. I probably hold this match a lot higher than almost everyone else because I was their live. I still remember 6 year old little Dylan marking out like hell when Sting came out. I don't think I'll ever have as much fun at another wrestling event as I did that night.

No way; possibly if you included "and if ROH had the stars that WWE has". But the booking style they use hasn't made anybody into big drawing stars, so it's possible that if ROH brought in big stars their way of doing things would diminish the star power aspect. Like it or not star power draws crowds, not technical talent, just like in music and movies.

Why would you assume what applies to an organization that is built around real fights applies to an organization that is built around fake fights? This seems utterly absurd to me; basically you are suggesting that a hugely successful business should try to become a cheap imitation of a an even more successful business. It's like having somebody at Subway say "hey, Mcdonald's sells more food then us, so if we switch to burgers and fries, but without the key ingredient of decent price, we will sell even more!"

That is very cool. The build up for this match was just so amazing as was that Sting entrance. I was also a huge fan of Sting around the time I was 6, but that was in a different decade, and with Sting of course using a different, bright colored persona. I was impressed when he was able to get even more over when he faded to black.

I can understand Dylan enjoying Hogan-Sting for the reasons of childhood nostalgia, but man that match let me down. I was really into the build for that match and really looking forward to it, and then I just remember being bored out of my mind as the match actually went on. Granted that I haven't watched it since that night that it happened, so maybe it could be better (or at least less bad) than I remember.

I don't see how you can do the weighting in a non-arbitrary fashion is one issue, and the other is that I don't think you can add these things with each other; they are incommensurable. It amazes me that I was able to grade so many papers in grad school with these views.

From the greatest match thread people should check out Ladder War 1 with the Briscoes vs Steenerico. Just a completely brutal match that i didnt pick mainly because of the excessive chairshots to the head that i thought was too over the top. IIRC both teams got heat for how violent it was.

Along with the two TNA barbed wire matches its one of three matches that made me really uncomfortable to watch, but once it gets over the first 15 minutes and few dozen chairshots, lots of which were unprotected, it manages to be a really great ladder match that rubber stamped the huge feud the two teams had.

Also another match i would have liked to have seen be taken was Christian vs Kaz in a ladder match at TNA. Im no historian of that company's early days but during its gold age in the middle of the last decade they produced what is almost certainly one of their top 5 matches OAT.

Speaking of i am disappointed though fully understand why there wasnt an Ultimate X match on a card. Its hard to find one that wasnt really entertaining, with 3D vs the MCMGs being pretty much the only one i recall seeing and thinking it sucked.

These new trollbots are awesome. This guy sounds like Santino.

So, who won?

BTW I would love for someone to organize a greatest TV matches ever draft.

Nobody wins these things; everybody says they will do writeups and vote on the winners (myself included), then as soon as the last pick is made, or often before, the thread dies and we move onto the next draft/tournament.

Since you asked though, mine was the only card somebody voted as the winner so I clearly win.

Most of the people didn't even watch three of my matches.

On my phone now but I do recall your card being strong. So sure, you won

No, you won Phill. With me as second