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are any of you guys worried that having that crazy disease and loving some intestines is going to hurt him. he is kinda old too so that could hurt him coming back.

I don't have a strong opinion on this fight but am learning towards reem because brock has a serious lack of toughness and reem is good at hitting people.

I am rooting hard for diaz because they are just awesome, but think cerrone may muscle him around.

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12-23-2011 , 12:01 AM

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anderson is a bitch when he gets hit?

yeh, it just doesn't happen very often

he was SO unhappy when getting raped by Chael, thought he might cry

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12-23-2011 , 12:25 AM

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I wanted Overeem to win until it became clear he is most likely hardcore juicing. I understand why Dana and Las Vegas Commission have to look the other way since pulling the plug on this fight would be disastrous but it is still rofl:

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The Alistair Overeem vs. Brock Lesnar fight on December 30th in Las Vegas is on as a result of the steroid test Overeem took on December 14th in the UK coming back clean. It should be noted that the urine test that he took on December 7th, twenty days after it was requested on November 17th, ended up being destroyed untested. No explanation was given for this, though Overeem did provide a note from his doctor claiming that a sample that was not tested within 24 hours was useless, and for whatever reason his sample wasn't tested within 24 hours, and so, thus being useless, it was destroyed. This explanation, along with the clean test taken 27 days after it was requested, was sufficient for the Nevada State Athletic Commission to license Overeem to fight.

Should be getting more run in the news but I have only heard about it on two small MMA podcasts.

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12-23-2011 , 12:27 AM

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you can safely assume both lesnar and overeem is "likely hardcore juicing". And pretty much the rest of the top guys in the sport.

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12-23-2011 , 12:37 AM

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fair enough, but that sounds like it would be a pretty juicy (lol) news story for someone to report on. and that also makes the people who got caught ridiculously stupid since they can just forget to submit the test apparently and be good to go.

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12-23-2011 , 12:41 AM

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yeah everyone in the UFC is juicing/HGH. Training is too hard without it. Especially guys that are 30+.

I am 29 and after a few days of really hard training(for me, which is way less than UFC dudes) I am crazy tired and sore.

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12-23-2011 , 12:44 AM

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I am 29 and after a few days of really hard training(for me, which is way less than UFC dudes) I am crazy tired and sore.

but are you a tough guy though?

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12-23-2011 , 02:30 AM

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anderson is a bitch when he gets hit?

Not really. I've seen he take shots at the jaw from heavyweights and other times just drop the guard and let the guy hit him some times against guys who proud themselves on their striking just to break their morale.

About his fight against Chael he shouldn't be sparring much less fighting with that fractured rib.

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12-23-2011 , 04:19 AM

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I dont think substance abuse does exist in the UFC. Mainly based on the way Marquardt was fired from the UFC. Dana doesn't seem to be the type of guy to let one fighter get away with it and another get punished.

On a better note. Seriously cant wait for UFC 141. Gonna probably have a bit of a wager on it just for an added sweat. Here's what im likely to go with:

Brock, Cerrone, Ross Pearson, Gustafsson and Jimy Hettes all to win.

Also id like to ask what you guys think of the outcome between Fitch and Hendricks. Any possibilty of Fitch being upset? I see Hendricks has a pretty good resume in wrestling

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12-23-2011 , 06:00 AM

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If all you have to do is do a drug test on the day of the fight, it's super easy to figure out a timetable and when you have to stop taking whatever it is you're taking to get it out of the system before the fight.

Look at what happened with Overeem. The Vegas comission decides to do an unannounced drug test and it takes Overeem about 20 days to get tested. That's just ridiculous and if UFC was serious about substance abuse, this fight would'nt take place.

I just don't think they care that much and the fans care even less. I don't really mind either way but to pretend that UFC's clean is just stupid. Either do the testing right or just don't do it at all.

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12-23-2011 , 06:39 AM

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I want to pick Lesnar but I just don't see him winning this. Still the sickest tattoo ever though.

If having a tatoo on your chest that looks like a di.ck is cool, then brock is miles davis

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12-23-2011 , 08:46 AM

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If the UFC (or any sporting organisation for that matter) were actually serious about getting rid of drugs in the sport then surely it couldn't be too expensive for the UFC to just write into the contract of every fighter on the roster that they will be subjected to upto say four random tests each year, regardless of whether they are in training for a fight or not?

Or is that too simple?

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12-23-2011 , 09:29 AM

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Not too simple imo. That is what track and field people and NFL do and it works for them (not counting all the things they can't test for yet but those companies save the samples and will retro-bust a ton of people hopefully.)

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12-23-2011 , 10:21 AM

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so people actually believe track&field + NFL = clean sports? Those two combined with cycling are probably the most infested with cheaters of any sports if i had to take a guess.

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12-23-2011 , 10:55 AM

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I would have said similar tbh. If they have regular random testing in those sports though, how does the athlete get round it?

My theory (that I've only just come up with so bear with me) is that the governing body of any sport that is currently infested with drug use would never suddenly introduce actual effective drug testing because they would not want to deal with the results it would have on the sport. They would be forced to explain why athletes are suddenly performing worse than last year, and the only explanation would be an admission that the sport was previously riddled with drugs. No governing body would ever want to admit that about their sport.

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12-23-2011 , 11:31 AM

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I would have said similar tbh. If they have regular random testing in those sports though, how does the athlete get round it?.

Cannot be this naive.

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12-23-2011 , 12:33 PM

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Cannot be this naive.

Pls explain.

I know these kind of sports are infested with drug use, and understand how cycling the treatements in the right way can get athletes through planned tests. The thing I don't get is how they get round any random off-season testing if that is in place.

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12-23-2011 , 12:37 PM

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I don't know a whole lot on the subject but from some interviews I've read with the guy behind the balco scandal it seems like a lot more resources and creativity is put behind developing the peds than it does on the testing procedures. So as long as you have competent backing you can be very safe.

And a lot of peds seemingly can be cycled out of your system in a matter of hours or days. Plus i guess theres masking agents involved etc.

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12-23-2011 , 12:42 PM

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^ I'm talking about Victor Conte as the "guy behind balco".

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/27/vi...od-doping-epo/

Thats one of them; there's lots more if anyone is interested, just google.

interesting tidbit:

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So let's back up, hypothetically, okay, to Manny Pacquiao or Floyd Mayweather when they were signing or negotiating for their fight, or in the case of the Mayweather-Shane Mosley fight.

If somebody were advising them, they could have used EPO throughout for two weeks, if someone were advising them on how to do it, just like the cyclists do, and they could have previously extracted some of these red blood cells and put them in the refridgerator.

Okay? So then, five weeks out from the fight, coming in, they can't use EPO, because they're being randomly tested and that might be discovered even though the EPO only stays within your system for a day.

But you can re-infuse your own red blood cells. And if you are shown how to re-infuse your red blood cells, they can't detect that.

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12-23-2011 , 12:42 PM

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Someone posted a list of peds and the time they take to cycle out of your body somewhere on 2p2 in the last week, but I can't find it now. Anybody seen it? Not that is actually of any use to this discussion, but I found it interesting and wanted to look at it again.

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12-23-2011 , 03:52 PM

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If having a tatoo on your chest that looks like a di.ck is cool, then brock is miles davis

haha I was talking about his back tattoo, I think it's pretty sick.

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12-23-2011 , 06:56 PM

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so people actually believe track&field + NFL = clean sports? Those two combined with cycling are probably the most infested with cheaters of any sports if i had to take a guess.

No one said this. I said their methods of drug-testing were better. i.e. piss in this cup *right now* unannounced instead of "mail this in when you get a chance and you can have your doctor destroy it if you want a month later before we test it."