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07-21-2009 , 05:52 AM
WWE has a fantastic chance to book a long-term angle w/ Jericho, Christian and Edge right now.

Have Jericho take Christian in as his tag team partner, then when Edge returns he has a reason to be mad that Jericho gave up on him while he was hurt. This can give Edge the momentum to turn face, and could lead to a TLC Tag Match at WM (Edge/???? vs. Jericho/Christian). Put a decent worker with Edge and have them tear it down.

Hell, you could even solidify Edge as an ultra-heel and have him tag with Hardy at WM to turn and form an awesome stable with Jericho and Christian. Sigh, to dream.
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07-21-2009 , 12:08 PM
I also turned off RAW after the lame Hornswaggle match...
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07-21-2009 , 01:27 PM
somebody send S_T's raw sched in.
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07-21-2009 , 02:56 PM
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Kendrick is fantastic and is the kind of guy that should be pushed too the moon if Vince didn't have a big man fetish.
His in ring skills make him deserve a solid push to upper mid card level. His TBK gimmick is what sucks and needs to be redone. Someone should tell him he has no rhythm and should stop trying to dance....or whatever you want to call it.

Maybe Vince should try to get Exotic Adrian Street out of retirement(if he's still alive) and team him up with TBK. They could be called the Rainbow Connection.
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07-21-2009 , 03:41 PM
Are you dense? Kendrick is one of the best little guys in the world and has worked all over the world paying his dues proving this. The TBK gimmick is solid and he was uber over on SD until they decided to push the Colons past him and Ezekiel (because Ezekiel was too green).

He not only deserves to be on TV, he deserves to be working PPV main events and im not even exaggerating. The only reason i agree with him being future endeavored is so he can go back to ROH and be awesome again.

Anyway, as bad as Raw may have been, TNA made them look like geniuses by putting on possibly the worst PPV since Russo and Bischoff flushed WCW down the toilet on Sunday, so its all about your point of view. Didnt take a genius to see ZZ Top had fail written all over it.
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07-21-2009 , 04:29 PM
Speaking of Russo, one of the upcoming main events on Impact! will be a Keys On A Pole match, good grief. How long before we see someone's mother on a pole AGAIN
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07-21-2009 , 10:27 PM
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His in ring skills make him deserve a solid push to upper mid card level. His TBK gimmick is what sucks and needs to be redone. Someone should tell him he has no rhythm and should stop trying to dance....or whatever you want to call it.

Maybe Vince should try to get Exotic Adrian Street out of retirement(if he's still alive) and team him up with TBK. They could be called the Rainbow Connection.
This post is loads of fail. TBK gimmick is fantastic and perfect for someone like him. He hasn't been pushed because of weed and the fact that he's small.
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07-21-2009 , 10:44 PM
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This post is loads of fail. TBK gimmick is fantastic and perfect for someone like him. He hasn't been pushed because of weed and the fact that he's small.
Ehhh....

I guess I just don't like guys that prance around the ring like they're a flaming ****.

As I said in the other post(that you apparently missed) he has all the in ring ability to be an upper mid carder.

And for everyone that says Vince has a hard on for huge jacked up guys.....explain HBK, Jericho, Edge, Christian, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy or any of the other non huge jacked up guys that have been title holders. There's opportunity for smaller guys to be in the main events IF they have the over all package.
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07-21-2009 , 10:51 PM
Yes, some of the most over guys in the universe got over and got a belt.

The much longer is is every damn giant they've attempted to push only to have it fail because they can't work.

(that and Edge isn't exactly small ffs)
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07-21-2009 , 11:04 PM
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Ehhh....

I guess I just don't like guys that prance around the ring like they're a flaming ****.
Perhaps you've never heard of this guy who had a similar gimmick. He turned out ok.

Also TBK is a lot smaller than all of those guys you listed which he has working against him.
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07-22-2009 , 12:11 AM
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Perhaps you've never heard of this guy who had a similar gimmick. He turned out ok.

Also TBK is a lot smaller than all of those guys you listed which he has working against him.
I'm not a fan of HBK either.
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07-22-2009 , 01:43 AM
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Ehhh....

I guess I just don't like guys that prance around the ring like they're a flaming ****.

As I said in the other post(that you apparently missed) he has all the in ring ability to be an upper mid carder.

And for everyone that says Vince has a hard on for huge jacked up guys.....explain HBK, Jericho, Edge, Christian, CM Punk, Jeff Hardy or any of the other non huge jacked up guys that have been title holders. There's opportunity for smaller guys to be in the main events IF they have the over all package.
All off those guys have half a foot and 50lbs on TBK.

So you need moves, charisma, ring work, ability to draw heat or you can be really tall/heavy.
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07-22-2009 , 01:50 PM
Kendrick was actually trained by Shawn. Dunno if thats relevent, but seems a noteworthy thing to say, lol.

As dids said, the reason HBK, Jericho, Edge, Christian, CM Punk and Jeff Hardy got to the top is their huge crowd draw - but that only happens if the guy isnt being buried by being jobbed out to 60 year old announcers.

Also, in your own list you have managed to pick Jeff, the most over guy right now who has had just one main title reign that lasted one month, Christian who had to go to TNA to get a run at the main events and is wowfully underused both sides of working in TNA, HBK is a tremendous kiss arse and up until moving to Smackdown Punk was just in the right place at the right time for his title reigns.

Jericho and Edge have basically dedicated their career to the company whilst being right at the very top for mic work. They got to the top by being the very best - it helps they didnt piss off the wrong people, but even as the best they are still getting short title reigns in the case of Edge (its easy to rack up 9 worlds title reigns when half were one month long) or they are being knocked out by actors at Wrestlemania when they both arent being decimated by Cena.

As for the other side of the coin Koslov was in a couple main events within like 6 months of joining SD - and despite working with the best in the business (Taker, Hunter, both Hardys, Christian, HBK and sorta Edge) he has produced fail time and time again. He is a terrible worker. He doesnt even look that big unlike Khali for example to help balance their terrible ring work - he should have been canned long ago but instead he is in the main event picture of ECW and Kendrick is jobbing to a 60 year old guy.

Its honestly ******ed to say there is anything but a mismatched system where terrible big guys are pushed over world class little guys. But then youre not a fan of HBK so maybe your one of those 12 year old kids who screams for Cena to win every single week.#

Edit, cliffnotes:
-stop being dumb
-see everything you have written for examples of being dumb
-really, how can you not like HBK? I mean he is a world class tool who Bret Hart apparently said ruined the industry along with Hunter, but he is one of the best in ring guys ever
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07-23-2009 , 12:23 AM
my brother just texted me that jeremy piven is gonna host raw next week. lol?
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07-23-2009 , 12:28 AM
TBK can go out there and have a better match than anybody in the industry not named shawn michaels. When i saw he was facing lawler, i was like "lol nice, a squash for TBK" but to my horror, he got pwned by a 60 yr old announcer. I have a feeling WWE will be "wishing him the best in his future" very soon. SMH.
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07-23-2009 , 01:53 AM
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my brother just texted me that jeremy piven is gonna host raw next week. lol?
Piven is on 8/3. Shaq is next week.

Just read the rumored buyrate for TNA's PPV. 7000 people. That means for every 215 people who watch Impact, 1 bought the PPV. That's 10 times worse that the final WCW PPV.

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07-23-2009 , 03:31 AM
I look forward to Jeremy/Ari Gold firing someone by doing the "get the f*** out of here" routine
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07-23-2009 , 10:35 AM
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Just read the rumored buyrate for TNA's PPV. 7000 people. That means for every 215 people who watch Impact, 1 bought the PPV. That's 10 times worse that the final WCW PPV.
Thats great news.

Hopefully this is going to be the wake up call the company needs. Ideally they will get a similar buy rate at Hard Justice.

Here are major upcoming things in Impact, inc the HJ main event:
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Firstly, Lashley is not working with Angle and the MEM as was indicated when he showed up a couple months back when they first started working on a contract. Im purely speculating, but i expect a Lashley/Angle main event the PPV after HJ. Im not sure how i feel about that prospect, but i quite like Lashley and its something new so thats a plus, but at the same time it means someone is hopping to the top of the ladder past they guys who worked there arse off to keep the company afloat when it wasnt so stable.

Foley won the Legends Belt in an Impact match. Nash had an awesome reign that will last less than a month and he will have defended the belt one on one exactly zero times. He lost it in some gimmicky match of Angle and Nash v Lashley and Foley where if Nahs or Angle got pinned they lose the title to whoever pins them. Wtf is wrong with a one on one match with no gimmick and no overbooked ending, jeez. Also for some reason AJ doesnt seem to have gotten a rematch, so unless they want to actually self destruct the company if they give Nash a rematch at HJ it will be Foley v Nash v AJ. Nash and Foley working together will be beyond terribad, but even AJ wont be able to save that match.

The main event for Hard Justice is Angle v Sting v Morgan. Morgan is still working on getting a spot in MEM so yawn, we know the plan going into the match. Morgan won a best of 3 against AJ to get the spot. Yes, AJ got passed over again, ffs. I read Sting has some stipulation where this is the last chance he gets to win the title (maybe just last chance to win off Angle, like the Joe/Sting match had the stip to not havea rematch 8 months ago).


So those keeping score at home will probably expect as low a buy rate as Victory Road.
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07-23-2009 , 10:46 AM
I haven't really followed TNA since they were brand new- but their main event scene being populated by old, broken workers is just terrible. Maybe Nash, Sting, Angle Foley etc get more buys than people with talent- but from a "smark" perspective, it's just sad. I'd rather watch Jarret go over Raven for not good reason again and again.
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07-23-2009 , 11:03 AM
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I haven't really followed TNA since they were brand new- but their main event scene being populated by old, broken workers is just terrible. Maybe Nash, Sting, Angle Foley etc get more buys than people with talent- but from a "smark" perspective, it's just sad. I'd rather watch Jarret go over Raven for not good reason again and again.
100% correct. I don't know or care what makes money from the general public, but for my money AJ vs. Samoa Joe vs. Christopher Daniels was a million times better than anything involving Booker T or Scott Steiner. TNA used to be great because it was so different, and now it's just a steaming pile of WCW-wannabe crap.
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07-23-2009 , 03:44 PM
Anyone read the latest TNA Mishap? Apparently Sting forgot the ending to his match with Joe at the PPV. Joe tried to give him the muscle-buster numerous times and Sting "dead-weighted" him forcing Joe to call for an audible and have Sting tap-out to a rear-naked choke.

TNA officials/wrestlers were upset as they felt it took away from Foley tapping out to Angle in the main event.

What a train-wreck all of this has become. Please give us more Beer Money/Motor City Machine Guns, AJ types. As big of a Nash fan as I am....it's about time to say goodbye old friend!
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07-23-2009 , 04:23 PM
TNA is a complete mess right now. Jeff Jarrett was sent home by Dixie Carter (owner of TNA) and now has taken 'a leave of abscence'. Apparently Kurt's ex wife Karen Angle and her two kids have moved in with Jeff Jarrett and are messing around. Kurt is saying backstage that's he's going to kick Jarrett's ass if he sees him and there's now a power struggle for booking/control of the company. Most of the guys are on Kurt's side in all of this as they are completely frustrated at the direction of the company. There is talk that Dixie will buy up the remaining shares that Jeff holds and may force him out of the company. Good times.
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07-23-2009 , 04:54 PM
Its worth prefacing this, Dixie has been in charge as a rep of her family as a majority shareholder in TNA since 2002.

Anyway, she was heavily involved with the firing of Roxxi, the release of Petey and Sanje and she phased Kip off TV. All of this, esp the Roxxi thing, got incredible heat from the performers - but a lot of it was aimed at JJ for not doing more.

As for the current stuff, last i read no one even knows if its a work or a shoot right now. But given Karen has severed herself from the industry after her seperation from Angle its probably a shoot. Either way Angle ****ed his marriage up and he deserves no sympathy over anything that has happened and id be shocked if JJ is recieving heat from the workers over this apart from the very close friends of Angle.

However Angle has a huge amount of pull in the company via Dixie - he was dating Rhaka Khan when her and Roxxi had their backstage fight and that helped push Roxxi out the door - then when people pointed out how there was no upside to Khan and it was unfair she still had a job she got let go too. Angle has been pushing for much more creative control in the company (he genuinely sees himself as the big draw of the company and no one else is close to him) - so if it does come down to it Dixie will choose Angle over JJ.

However this is all speculation. Whilst Panda has the money to buy out the remaining 28% that JJ (and i assume his dad) own i seriously doubt he doesnt have creative control clauses when he sold the shares off in 2002 so its not going to be easy to push him out.

Its gonna be rough times if this is all true - but ideally Angle wont resign in Sept when his contract is up over this and it will all work its way out.

Fwiw, i dont get the line "Most of the guys are on Kurt's side in all of this as they are completely frustrated at the direction of the company" - the current direction of the company is clearly Angle/Dixie/JJ/Russo. JJ hasnt helped he sure cant take sole blame for the "direction of the company" - i doubt its true people are seeing JJ as the sole problem with the company - especially the guys who got their big break in TNA.

If by "most of the guys" you mean the guys who are close friends with Angle from the WWE days (basically the veterans) i can believe that.
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07-23-2009 , 05:28 PM
As per wrestlingobserver, good stuff. Trust me on this one, it`s a shoot, there`s no way Russo and TNA are this creative.


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The future direction of TNA literally hangs in the balance due to the situation involving Jeff Jarrett and Karen Angle.

The situation came to a head this past week when Jarrett, the founder and part-owner of the company, was sent home by Dixie Carter. It was officially stated that Jarrett, who turned 42 this past week, had taken a personal leave of absence from the company. He was not at the Victory Road PPV or at the television tapings held this week.

Jarrett has steered the creative direction of the company largely since its beginnings seven years ago. The direction has been questioned by people from the start, particularly in recent years when with all the television exposure they have and audience they draw, their attendance at live events and PPV numbers are poor, and actually falling even as the star power has increased greatly. Indeed, one of the most often asked questions is how Jarrett, who has been around the business from childhood and whose father was one of the great wrestling bookers in history, could take the company in such a direction and not change or learn from the numbers.

The feeling is that most in TNA have resigned themselves to the idea that the marketplace has changed and that a promotion which will never be seen by the public in the same league as WWE and UFC is limited in drawing on PPV and at house shows. There is the feeling that for international television sales and domestic ratings, the focal point of the company, and whatever licensing income they can derive, what drives the ship is featuring aging stars of the Monday Night Wars era. The ratings, which remain steady, are seen as the affirmation what they are doing isn’t failing, even though they are now even backing away from going outside Orlando more than a few times per year for PPV events because they can’t sell tickets in major markets even for big shows. There is no indication from the quarter hours that even when it comes to ratings, while logic would say that the stars from the past being more familiar would be the ratings movers, that it is even the case. The addition of Mick Foley and creation of the Main Event Mafia did lead the company to its best ratings, and they are still ahead of the levels of a year ago, but ratings have leveled off from the peak. And still, it is the women’s matches that are still the most consistent ratings movers, even such as this past week when the biggest growth segment by far was the debut of Alissa Flash (formerly Raisha Saeed) and Sarita.

The uncertainty is exactly who will wind up out of this as the power. Talking with a few in the company, there are plenty of rumors but nothing has been said. It was said to be a feeling of uncertainty as to what will happen after this taping, but the taping ran with lots of questions and no answers.

Angle in the dressing room this past week at shows was cutting strong promos on Jarrett. Different people have noted Angle saying he’d kick Jarrett’s ass if he saw him, that he was going to have booking power and that if Jarrett was brought back, he would leave the company and go back to WWE. Of course, people also know not to take seriously much of what Angle says. Jarrett, Angle and Vince Russo all have histories of doing angles that attempt to work the boys. It makes little sense for Angle to suddenly be furious over something that has been going on for months on end. There was also a behind-the-scenes power play where people in the company were being rallied to choose sides between Angle and Jarrett in a power struggle more than a year ago over the direction of the company, and both talked it out. Even with what was going on, it was described that Angle and Jarrett were no longer friendly, but worked together without major heat in a business setting.

It’s been noted in the company that Angle has been more and more friendly to McMahon when doing media interviews designed to promote TNA. It should also be noted that when Angle and WWE had their parting of the ways, that Karen Angle was a major catalyst, telling Kurt at the time she would leave him if he stayed with WWE. The funny thing is, almost everyone sees the nature of the business being what it is, that the two will agree to have a business relationship at some point and try and use this real life as part of a storyline grudge.

When Kurt and Karen split up, Karen remained under contract as a performer, and the divorce was at first said not to affect either one’s standing with the company. However, Karen was then released by TNA, which at the time had nothing to do with creative and was because the feeling was they couldn’t be together in the dressing room and Kurt was the bigger star and more valuable of the two.

From a dressing room standpoint, most have sided with Angle on this. Jarrett, as the boss of a company where virtually everyone is frustrated at the lack of progress despite the public lip service to the contrary, is going to have his detractors. They point to the idea that there is some sort of a wrestlers code about messing with families, even though Kurt & Karen were on the rocks many times before TNA and had a unique relationship to begin with. Kurt and Rhaka Khan was hardly a secret. But wrestling has always been the world where if a guy sleeps with 100 women he’s a stud and if a woman sleeps with two guys she’s a slut. Jarrett has his allies, but many of them are resented for being so.
Victory Road, which may have been the worst PPV show the company has ever done, only had some minor changes from the original scripting with Jarrett not there. The plan had already been in place to build the show around the Main Event Mafia winning all the major titles (which was the reason the Homicide vs. Suicide X Division title match was pulled from the show, since it would interfere with the main story they were telling). When the Mafia angle started months ago, the idea was for them to win everything at first and then build for the TNA Front Line to make a recovery. The original thought is they had to make strong heels first, and the make babyfaces. The concept was copied from the NWO angle, offshoots of which Dutch Mantel booked successfully years ago in Puerto Rico. However, the Front Line became so synonymous with losers that the idea was dropped. This show was an attempt to go back to square one, but give the babyface side the benefit of having Sting as the top gun to go with Foley and Jarrett. The pep talk segment during the show with Foley talking with Beer Money and A.J. Styles was scheduled to be Jarrett in the role. There was also a doctrine that they wanted more “clean finishes” on the show. Right now, it’s Vince Russo and Mantel in charge, but nobody knows where it will go from there.

But as far as the original aspect of the story being an angle, not that wrestling would be beyond doing something like that, but it wouldn’t be the case here.

It’s hard to know exactly where the story beings, but it has been talked about quietly for months, and those who were aware were surprised that it’s only been now, as it was going public, that Angle was so vocal about it. Perhaps he wasn’t previously because if he was vocal, it would have gone public a lot quicker. Angle, 40, when Karen, 36, filed for divorce, even during an interview when he was guest on the Howard Stern show where he was hitting on Robin Quivers, said he said he believed she was having an affair with someone in the company, but said he couldn’t prove it.

As part of the divorce agreement, Kurt purchased Karen a house in Pittsburgh, actually across the street from the home the two lived at. It is believed Kurt is now selling the family’s original home and has moved closer to the Pittsburgh Airport. She also got a big divorce settlement. There are conflicting accounts as to whether Karen Angle and Jarrett are actually living together or not, but they are involved.

The news largely broke due to a caller, who claimed to be someone who works backstage for TNA, with a disguised voice, calling the Bubba the Love Sponge radio show on 7/15.

The caller said Karen Angle and Kurt’s two young children have moved in with Jeff Jarrett, and that Dixie Carter was furious and that Carter may buy out Jarrett’s stock, and that Jarrett could be out of the company. Bubba told the caller that he didn’t believe the story to be true and called Kurt on his cell phone and left a message for Kurt to call the show. Bubba was saying he didn’t believe it, but was on the air, leaving a message on Angle’s cell phone, and talking in detail on the air while leaving a message as to what the caller had said.

People in TNA were furious about this, and people internally were listening to the tape over and over trying to figure out whose disguised voice made the call. Angle was also saying in the dressing room over the weekend how mad he was at Bubba for how this was handled. Kurt never called the show and Bubba never brought the subject up again the rest of the show.

Matt Morgan was scheduled to be a guest on the 7/16 show to plug the weekend PPV. Before the show started, the producer said that he had gotten phone calls from Morgan and from someone in the TNA office, but he had missed both calls. Then he called Morgan, who said that he would be ten minutes late. He then called the front office person, who he never named, who told him Morgan was ill and had to cancel the appearance. The producer then told the office guy that he had just talked with Morgan and Morgan was on the way to the studio. But Morgan never showed up. Then Bubba went through all this on the air, and said he thought the cancellation was because of the rumor that was said by the caller on the show the day before. He said he was livid that after all he had done to promote TNA, that they would cancel on him at the last minute. It should be noted that Bubba is compensated by TNA for having their wrestlers on as guests and the belief is that in this economy, nobody is going to turn down paying sponsors. Bubba said that he’s rethinking if he will work with them in the future because of how everything went down. He also said that he liked everyone at TNA and also liked Dixie Carter.

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07-23-2009 , 07:36 PM
Man, TNA is so ****ed up.
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