If this is true about Kane then more props too him. I don't really follow his off-screen life, but that makes more sense, cause its boggled my mind for years that they would waste him by never giving him big title runs

As far as the John Cena thing goes, yeah obviously a lot of kids like him, I meant mostly the people in this thread. I think maybe I'm biased because I was younger when guys like The rock and SCSA and HH were first becoming super dominant. But i'll say that when those guys fought, I never really knew who was gonna win. The thing that annoys me about Cena is that invincibility that people talk about (Not to mention barely-sells and no-sells). I don't want to know who is gonna win the match before the PPV, and with a lot of the John Cena feuds, and the way they write him, you know he's coming out on top.

Also agree with the above poster about getting ppl over. I haven't really been following along, but has there been any feud Cena has been in where his opponent looked better because of the feud? (Real question, not being combative). I can only think of guys who were already famous before the feud with Cena, then ended up losing face in the feud.

This is why i dont think the match will happen. Or like you say its one match sandwiched between Cena beating Taker twice or summit like that.

I also think all Taker fans would dislike the decision regardless of who he lost to. Im not a particularly big fan of him (respect him tonnes for his efforts and sacrifices for the industry though) and id hate to see him lose.

Ive no clue how true this is. Even if he wanted to only work midcard enhancement i think he could be used much much better. Even if its as simple as having him be the face of ECW (lets face it, with crowd reactions he isnt the heel the company wants him to be) and have Christian freed up to take a top slot on Raw or SD.

I think Cena would be liked a whole load more if he had a more expansive moveset and was nerfed.

I mean in the space of less than a month he got thrown into a spotlight at the end of a gruelling last man standing, then got beat down repeatedly on Raw and he STILL beat a fresh Big Show at the following PPV in a submission match.

There is dominant, and there is superhero. It worked back in the days of Hogan but its not realistic anymore - hence he is huge with the kids but so much less so with every other demographic.

If he lost more often it means we can watch his matches not knowing the outcomes already, it means he will actually put people over better (he doesnt bury them quite like Hunter but he isnt as good as Taker at putting over young up and comers).

TBH i dont care a great deal if he is heel or face, i just think he needs to be booked slightly differently and he can keep the exact same gimmick and still be accepted more.

Also i suspect he is an excellent wrestler who would love to pull off some spectacular moves, but he just isnt willing to use his considerable power in the company to break the shackles. I mean when was the last new move any wrestler at the main event level of the company pulled off? (ignoring the obv differences in gimmick matches)

But as it stands he has the 5 moves of doom, which is usually dont in rapid succession after a 5 minute beatdown):
1, shoulder block (usually done twice)
2, poorly executed fishermans suplex
3, the side suplex thing he does which always leads into
4, the pathetic looking you cant see me to the 5 knuckle shuffle combo
5, which is followed by the FU or sometimes the STFU for the victory

He also has another spot where he takes a beat down for several minutes, somehow positions the other guy on the floor face down and then locks in the STFU. There is a variation where the other guy crawls near the ropes so he gets up, drags them back to the middle, locks it and wins.

*cough cough*

LOL WP Sir.

Beautiful people, mud wrestling from last night's Impact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opwgceltAA8

Screw PG wrestling imo.

i should give TNA another shot.

QFT

I'd kick the Pope in his balls for 1 night with Velvet Sky.

Agreed.
Velvet Sky is gorgeous.

This a joke?

Cena is top notch in getting new guys over, even if he crushes them. People are crazy about Randy Orton, but John Cena is magnitudes better at getting wrestlers over. In WWE Cena does not get to show much of his repetoir/moveset, but he has shown a sick ability in the ring. Besides HBK I don't know of anyone in the WWE that is better at making new stars than Cena.

Send a random idiot against Cena, and in 3 weeks he is somebody. Honestly, I do not think there is a better wrestler in the WWE at taking a beating than Cena.

Cena would make Khali look decent, something Orton would be totally incapable of.

Is this for real? I can't think of a feud involving Cena the last 2-3years where the opponent hasn't looked better after the feud than before. Cena is probably the no brainer to use when wanting to get a new guy over, so I really don't know how to respond to that comment, because it seems so strange to me.l Randy Orton is a #1 heel now, and 90% of his best work has been against Cena. Same goes for Edge. CM Punk needs Cena to be huge as well.

He didnt. Though the FU to Khali off the crane was a noteworthy spot, even if it was clear he did it to a crash mat which Khali then rolled off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGSrREk_Uw

Dont mistake working with a young guy to building a young guy. Miz got a series of cheap almost none existent victories over Cena then got squashed on back to back nights on a PPV then the following Raw then got resquashed about a month later (if memory serves me).

Miz wasnt built by Cena in that feud, he was built by his own promo ability.

Cena didnt build Orton at all, Triple H did, from the old days right up to Legacy.

Wasn't gonna watch it anyway but checked the card for TLC tonight.

WTF is a chair match?!

The hilarious thing is no one seems to know the stipulations.

Either you lose by being hit by a chair, or chairs are legal weapons.

Similarly hilarious, WWE actually gave away the results of the WWE Champ match. So that gets double ******ation with it being the highest title in the company being decided by who goes through a table and the company giving away the result for the PPV match.

SO much ******ation to go around its unreal. Gimmick themed PPVs are fine for novelty, but too much just makes things look dumb.

Sweet christ the WWE are dumb.

How'd they give away the result?

TLC PPV is even more ******ed then Cyber Sunday imo

This is going to be horrific...........interested to see what exactly the chair match is though, I really hope it's not first to be hit with a chair loses.

Yeah what happened?

As i understand it, as ive not seen the vid that was shown on Raw, Cena is shown as the champ still in the promo material for the Tribute to the Troops show, broadcast on Saturday.

Basically its not set in stone, obv, but in previous years the company has always considered it to be broadcast linear and not recording linear so if there is a possibility of a title change they never show someone with the belt on something pre recorded.

End of the day Cena was never losing anyway, but its really sloppy editing for them to give that away like that.

What, the concept of CS is great. It is the first, and as far as i can remember only, PPV Evan Bourne competed on and is a good chance for the audience to tell the company what they want to see, even if the company then goes and ignores it.

Christian/Shelton was a hell of a match.

How the hell do you have a TLC ppv with a no blood policy?

holy title changeaments batman

lolol Tazz : "Undertaker has been in Hell in a Cell...etc, none more dangerous than a chair match"

Having that big of a change early, and so much time left, makes me believe something bigger is still gonna happen, but we'll see...

wait .. what .. did that just happen?

Oh snap maybe my feed is late but both titles just changed......................... as I'm typing this Teddy Long comes out FU WWE this is so lolololol